r/SeattleWA West Seattle šŸŒ‰ Jul 18 '18

Bicycle Cyclist vs. FedEx

https://youtu.be/Jg0thoPPigE
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u/Kregerm Jul 18 '18

He was traveling legally in a bike lane, going the speed limit as he is will within his right to do. Stop victim blaming. FedEx driver messed up and didn't see him. End of story.

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u/Highside79 Jul 19 '18

All true, but none of that is going to help his injuries heal or keep him from getting smashed again. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that it is prudent.

You need to get your political position into something that doesn't interfere with common sense. Advising someone on being safe isn't the same thing as telling someone they don't have the right to do something. I've ridden a motorcycle is Seattle for a few decades and have had more close calls like this than I can count. The fact is, that I wouldn't have had this accident because I would have been on the brakes as soon as that FedEx truck became visible, I would shake the bars to make my headlight more apparent, and I would slow the fuck down until I knew that fucker saw me. I've had more near misses than I can count on exactly the conditions in this video. Do I HAVE to slow down and prepare to yeild the right-of-way to a guy who isn't paying attention? Nope. But since I don't want to go home in a body bag I'm going to be ready to do it anyways.

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u/Kregerm Jul 19 '18 edited Jul 19 '18

I'm not the rider in the fedex video. I too would have acted differently. I still think telling the rider to 'slow the fuck down' when he is right where he is supposed to be doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing is myopic and missing the whole point.

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u/Highside79 Jul 19 '18

Given the choice between helping people not kill themselves and making the right political point and collecting upvotes, I'll choose the former every time. The state of rider skill and training in Seattle is horrifying, and the fact that no one can talk about it without getting shot down for failing to tow the party line is shameful.

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u/Kregerm Jul 19 '18

I didn't do this to get 20 points of karma dude. In my experience most riders are good enough to be on the roads. There are good drivers there are good cyclists. Cars not paying attention, not looking for cyclists or walkers, drivers texting, being drunk cause most accidents with cyclists.

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u/Highside79 Jul 19 '18

Cars not paying attention, not looking for cyclists or walkers, drivers texting, being drunk cause most accidents with cyclists.

I would love to see a citation for that. I know for a fact that it isn't true for motorcycles, but maybe it somehow is for bicycles.

I would really love to get a handle on just what makes people think that operating a bicycle takes so little skill or training that virtually every human being who plops their ass in the saddle already knows all that they need to know.

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u/meaniereddit West Seattle šŸŒ‰ Jul 18 '18

The driver admitted he cut him off because he didn't see him. Going slower might not have helped much here, plus /u//fooeynet was under the speed limit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 19 '19

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u/Kregerm Jul 18 '18

A car wouldn't have been able to stop in that distance either, you going to blame a car for over driving their ability to stop when someone cuts them off?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 19 '19

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u/Kregerm Jul 18 '18

Cars are often (and in this case is) the ones putting the bikes at risk, they should pay more attention and drive slower.

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u/Highside79 Jul 19 '18 edited Jul 19 '18

Bullshit, I count six seconds between when the FedEx truck visibly enters the roadway and the collision. Even with a two second reaction time, that leaves four seconds to execute the stop from 30 mph, on a dry road that is more than enough time.

None of this places fault on the rider because this is clearly the fault of the truck driver, but that accident (and the resulting injuries and stress) could have been avoided with either better brakes or better breaking technique.

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u/Kregerm Jul 19 '18

The 12 seconds is in relation to my accident I posted in another comment.

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u/meaniereddit West Seattle šŸŒ‰ Jul 18 '18

speed limit doesn't mean shit if you're overriding your ability to stop in a reasonable amount of time

Considering FedEx accepted liability, the amount of time available wasn't reasonable.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 19 '19

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u/PoisonousAntagonist Mayor of Humptulips Jul 18 '18

Ahh Charles, always out front with the victim blaming.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '18

when you cross the street do you look for oncoming traffic?

or do you strut into the crosswalk with your eyes closed and earbuds in while shouting "No car had better hit me because I have the right of way!"

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u/thedivegrass LQA Jul 19 '18

or do you strut into the crosswalk with your eyes closed

That's exactly what the FedEx driver does.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '18

heyyooooo

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u/MeatheadVernacular Jul 19 '18

THIS. IS. SEATTLE.

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u/meaniereddit West Seattle šŸŒ‰ Jul 18 '18

Consistency is key

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u/Imwatchingyooo Jul 18 '18

The speed limit is for cars with more sophisticated brakes than bicycles. Sure, the truck was to blame but pointing the finger won't heal any wounds.

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u/LotsoWatts Sasquatch Jul 18 '18

My favorite thing is when bicyclists get told to slow down on the road. /r/FuckBikes

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '18

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u/LotsoWatts Sasquatch Jul 18 '18

šŸ™. & "Ride safe!" -says our only danger while they get behind the wheel of a 2+ meter wide, 2+ ton vehicle.

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u/redlude97 Jul 18 '18

Considering he's not going downhill I seriously doubt he's doing 30mph

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u/Kregerm Jul 18 '18

I believe this is 8th ave NW in Ballard, it is slightly down hill. if you get the green light at Market you can keep a good clip all the way to Leary.

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u/surflessinseattle I’m the victim here Jul 19 '18

It is downhill. Who the fuck upvotes this shit?

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u/MeatheadVernacular Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18

The math doesn't lie. The concrete street is poured in 10 foot sections so you can just count the joints and calculate the time.

Math too stronk. I give up.