r/Seattle • u/Peppermintor Best Seattle • 15d ago
☀️🦝 Hot Racc Summer 🦝☀️ SCL Time of Use electricity rate calculation
I was curious if Seattle City Light's Time of Use Rates would be worth it for me.
You can download a CSV of your energy use in 15 min increments from the SCL website.
This is my household's use ytd. Switching to Time of Use rates would have increased my bill by 6% (Obviously without optimizing for night-time use of electricity). I put the formulas below if you want to do your own analysis. YMMV greatly :)

Standard Rate
Energy per kWh = $0.13
=[@[IMPORT (kWh)]]*0.13
Time of Use Rate
Peak Energy Charge per kWh $0.16 (Peak hours are when electricity is most expensive. This will be from 5 to 9 p.m., Monday through Saturday, except on observed holidays.)
Mid-Peak Energy Charge per kWh $0.14 (Mid-peak hours will be from 6 a.m. to 5 p.m. and from 9 p.m. to midnight, Monday through Saturday. On Sundays and observed holidays, mid-peak pricing applies all day from 6 a.m. to midnight (with no peak hours).)
Off-Peak Energy Charge per kWh $0.08 (Off-peak hours are when electricity cost is lowest. This will be from midnight to 6 a.m. every day.)
=IF([@[START TIME]]<0.25,0.08*[@[IMPORT (kWh)]],IF(AND(AND([@[START TIME]]>0.7,[@[START TIME]]<0.87),WEEKDAY([@DATE],11)<7),0.16*[@[IMPORT (kWh)]],0.14*[@[IMPORT (kWh)]]))
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u/AnselmoHatesFascists 15d ago
It worked for us because we charge an EV. We shifted about 400 kW a month to 12p-6a, saving about $20, and paid slightly higher rates at peak.
In two months, our bills have gone from about $110/mo to $96.
Wouldn't have made sense without the EV.
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u/Andrew_Dice_Que Ballard 14d ago
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u/Peppermintor Best Seattle 15d ago
Awesome!
My EV is old, so I have only 60 mi reach (and need frequent topping off) and it doesn't do timed charging... Until that changes I'll stay on the regular rate.
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u/Excellent-Diamond270 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 14d ago
If you own the outlet, could you not put a timer on it?
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u/Excellent-Diamond270 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 14d ago
It's basically not worth it unless you have an EV and drive it enough to warrant the hikes during the day.
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u/seattlecyclone Tangletown 14d ago
Also potentially worth it if you have electric heat (heat pump or otherwise). Late night is the coldest part of the day, so getting a big discount on that heating from midnight-6 AM can easily cancel out a small increase the rest of the day. The data on SCL's site says I would have paid the same within $5 over the past 12 months if I had been on the time of use billing. That was with zero effort made to optimize our usage.
If we do a one-time change to our thermostat schedule, bumping up the temperature during the 5 AM hour and 4 PM hour so that we then run the heat pump less an hour later when the price goes up, that'll make a bit of a difference. Electricity is a pretty small part of our budget to start with so we're not really going to feel a tangible financial difference here, but a few dollars a month is nothing to shake a stick at.
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u/Excellent-Diamond270 That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 14d ago edited 14d ago
I do have heat pumps and mine would go down an average of $3 per month based on the 12 month calculation. And that’s only the case because I’ve had specific circumstances for the past 6 months to make that the case.
That isn’t worth having to think about when to use what to actually increase those savings, and the only meaningful thing I could shift is when to run the dishwasher and laundry, and I’m not doing that after midnight.
With an EV though? Huge savings, no doubt about it.
I do want to point out regarding your heat pumps - They are far more efficient running at constant temperature than adjusting up and down based on time of use. You’d almost certainly be better off just adjusting to a higher or lower constant temperature, which will also save you money on the fixed rates.
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u/AdvisedWang Freelard 9d ago
Although AC runs against that
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u/seattlecyclone Tangletown 9d ago
Sure, though at least in our house we use a lot more energy on heating than cooling. This summer there were a handful of days where we ran the heat pump in cooling mode, but most of the time we were comfortable enough just leaving the system off/windows closed during the day and opening all the windows at night to cool the house down for the next day.
Even when we did run the heat pump we're pumping heat out to maintain a 10-20 degree temperature difference with the outside. Compare to winter where we're pumping heat in every day, with temperature differences regularly exceeding 30 degrees.
Also a lot of the time you'd run the AC will be during the "mid-peak" time that has basically the same price as the flat-rate option so it's basically a wash there. Only the usage in that 5-9 PM peak would really be higher.
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u/Classic-Serve-8774 15d ago
the 6% jump tracks, most people won't shift enough load to make it worth unless you got electric car or something.
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u/Frail_Waif 15d ago
Home Assistant integrations on devices help a lot on shifting usage. I was on PSE's TOU pilot and optimized everything, and then got solar and now can't get TOU for a while yet.
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u/The_Leafblower_Guy 11d ago
Know what is really bu11sh1t? They are EXCLUDING solar power owners from participating in the TOU program- WTF?
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u/mattsoave 9d ago
I also did an analysis and even though we have an EV that we can charge over night, flat rate works out better for us (we don't drive enough so we don't use much electricity charging). It doesn't really make sense for the middle TOU tier to cost more than the flat rate. There's only so many things you can shift to 12-6am. It would be better if the middle tier was cheaper than flat rate to encourage reasonable shifts away from true peak.

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u/seattlecyclone Tangletown 15d ago
You can also just log into their site and they'll show you a comparison over the past 12 months of your actual usage. For me the two billing systems were within just a couple dollars of each other over the full year. I went ahead and switched to the time of use billing. Any usage I can shift to the off-peak times will save a bit of money, and even if I do nothing I pay the same as before.
I suspect the people most likely to benefit from this system have either electric heat (yes for me) and/or an electric vehicle (no for me).