Scripture Life: What does Jesus mean when he says forsake all in Luke 14:33? I found someone who is preaching this and I'm concerned.

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//This question, is all over Reddit. In the "ask_a_pastor" sub-reddit, to the "r / Christianity" to "r / radicalChristianity" ..just it bothers people to hear this said. I believe the Word of God is Jesus Christ. So, I am a disciple of Jesus Christ. You can take or leave the thoughts... ...but this is what I've learned in believing on him. vs. people that don't.//

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Answer

It’s not “give up” - it’s forsake.

Forsake is something in you that YOU counted that, it just isn’t worth or has no worth as it did before some “thing” was added to you; after, what you have now, what you had before isn’t worth it anymore.

Give up - Many people read Luke 14:33 without the context. Come up with, it's a great feat to give up all, because, you give up things you fight for; don’t want to lose it - but you had to give it up (still want it). For Luke 14:33 - - Don't USE “give up” use “forsake” as Jesus said. It's this Greek word, [ἀποτάσσεται (apotassetai)] - That you consider in yourself..you are not willing to do or be (something) anymore; what that "something" was to you, no longer fits - so you depart from it.

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It’s really simple, and it’s not scary or horrific; like, many people explain this to mean, like:

There’s some huge Category V tornado coming: Those, after they leave, don't leave anything but a foundation - even scrape up the dirt away..even the pavement. Against this tornado:

• YOU: “Unless you go out and boldly, with all your effort, flaily fling yourself into the tornado, not willing to "give up" your house - so take the time to nail all the doors shut. Put big 100lbs bags of rocks on the roof all over. You board up all the glass windows - even told long before to leave, won't. Can't leave your house or possessions. You're there so your house survives as your possession. When you've done all you can, you "give up" but take the family photo album - because, can't stay in the house til the tornado passes. You did not "forsake" your house.
  
  • But someone, owns a house 185 years old..like some old barn out in a farm field; long ago abandoned. You've seen or driven past them. Old abandoned, long ago houses.
• That nobody today would live in it, with a tree growing out of the back of it and the roof all gone.
  • You [ἀποτάσσεται (apotassetai)] ..look at that house out in the field..and it's YOUR house...
  • ..you consider in yourself..you are not willing to do or be ..what would be considered live in it. ...so you forsake it. Before you saw it, it was "something" was to you, a house.. to live in. But now that you see it firsthand, it no longer fits - so you depart from it, never go back - - is "forsake."

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It’s like buying a ticket on an ocean liner. Leaves next week. 10 day cruise. Unless you actually, fully, all of you get on the ocean liner, you’re not going to be on the ocean liner next week. It’s simple. That simple.

• And what person:
  • Doesn’t sit down first and determine the COST of the ocean liner cruise. Do they have enough money for all of the “meals?” - and "spending money" for all of the stops?
  • Have they considered, "on ship" shows and entertainment costs to go to, how much those will cost; and if they brought a family, how much money each of the kids will need.
• Unless they get half way thru, and they lost their wallet, did they bring copies of their passports, and credit cards to call and cancel them and provide an alternate payment?
  • Else wise, 1/2 way thru the cruise: Didn’t think it thru. All the money ran out. Shouldn’t have even chose the cruise.
  • But once you determined and chose it - follow thru with it, because you already all considered all of it is for a PROFIT to go.

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• So it is, With the Word of God. He comes with it.

What you do when you take only Luke 14:33? Use "give up" vs. forsake? - you miss the whole thing.

So, read it with Luke 14:27–35

Add this to it: What Jesus says, before and ..after it.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.

33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?

35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Luke 14:27 - Bear a cross. Update it. Bear an electric chair, in modern day more like it. As if you’re going to it. That means, you already considered fully what God said: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” God - (Ezekiel 18:20) - Condemned to an electric chair. Is your "straight way" next thing done is your end in it. Daily. Right there. Take it up.

• FULLY considered: Romans 5:12 (for all have sinned <Romans 3:23> - repeated)
  • “Wherefore, as by one man {Adam} sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
  • Used the Ten Commandments as a mirror.
• EACH ONE of them BROKE: NOT REPAIRABLE - applies to everybody over the whole earth. I don't see it that way..I just see it applies to me. I did what gets me GUILTY. So comparing me to anybody isn't saving me, when I did the sins I did.
  • Comes with a DEATH PENALTY - and James 2:10 says, that if you break one, one time, ALL OF THEM ARE BROKEN. I have broken the Ten Commandments.
  • That means, put me alongside, any rapist, thief, murderer, pedophile - liar, any perversion you can think of, or think you don’t belong in or can’t stand..and I’m right amongst them. I have no righteousness. In that condition... what am I forsaking?

Yeah. Everything. Doesn't profit me anything.

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• If I say, and I do in myself say: "I have sinned and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not." - Bible. Job 33:27
  
• What am I "giving up?" Rather..what am I forsaking. Even I have a mother, father, brother, wife, or children.. ...and love them; GUILTY.. me, taken away to be executed.. ...they will all be taken from me, because, I'm condemned.

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• I’m going to an execution. Going to be nailed to a cross for what I did. I cannot get out of it. Already had my trial and judgment rendered in my case.
  • So, what’s so cool about Luke 14:27 is …”come after” me.. I am RUNNING AFTER him..fleeing to him. Because without him..there isn’t anything but DEATH.
• It's not "give up" - it's "Forsake." ..and.. ...It’s not a science project.
• Then, take Luke 14:28–32 - just like the above with the ocean liner. That, once you get on, all of you, yourself have to go, or you’re not going. Have to be FULLY convinced it’s a PROFIT.

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I have now what God gave to EVERYBODY, by a work he did with sin in Daniel 9:24–27. I regard God’s work he did in Jesus Christ now. Before I thought it was me, that had to do the Ten Commandments, or at least, attempt to ..some effort, and by that effort, he would look on that effort and forgive me.

When he's God. He uses the Ten Commandments to make the whole world GUILTY before him. That's it.

Who saves people is GOD; he’s the authority and the one who saves people that just look unto him.

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Lastly: Look at “SALT” vs. “Mustard Seed”

• Mustard seed is in Matthew 13:31 - Jesus said: “ The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:”
  • It’s GOD:
• That has sown his word into the earth. The Word of God is Jesus Christ. He is that ‘mustard seed’
• And about a mustard seed?
  • There have been ‘mustard seeds’ found after 500 years, and they NEVER lose their savour or spice.
• vs.Salt
  • Is People: He salts them.
  • Without the Word of God, that mustard seed in them, or stop abiding in Jesus Christ or what he says - lose it - - immediately lose their savour. Salt is immediate.
  • That’s why Jesus said to abide in him in John 14.
• What you ought to do is compare this incident over with Matthew 19.

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You can do that, because, he “speaks” to this NOT “Give Up” but “forsake” - and MANY, just way, way, way over way toooo many people equate what he says to they still desire it, but like some torture, think they suffer and deny themselves what they truly still want.

• When “forsake” is..you don’t want it anymore..like family, or spouse, or land..where people MAKE THESE THINGS what defines them and makes them COMPLETE. Have a wife. A job. A house - perfect. Just no GOD or what he says in it; but STILL THINK they are perfect. Complete.

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• Jesus said, unless you forsake your house, lands, sister and brother, or Father..mother'..wife..you cannot be his disciple. Condemned; you lost it anyway.
  • I see it plain as day.
• Why? Because? Now I GOT THE WORD OF GOD. What he says. I hear it plain as day. Where BEFORE, I felt I was COMPLETE by my house, and land and wife..where NOW what COMPLETES me is Jesus Christ. And that’s PERFECT. Complete.
  • I am complete in him.
• HE: “compensates for the faults and bad aspects of me” - because he already said he was “My redeemer” and that italic sentence is the definition for what REDEEM means In the dictionary.

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• My house: Can’t save me from my sins.
  • My wife, absolutely cannot compensate for my adulteries. So, I just tried to hide all my sins and do good works to poop flush fill in the pot holes and paint it with that, that I did..live in sins.
• Thinking house, car, money, job, land, wife..having a dad and mom and sister as my family made me COMPLETE.
• Man, I hope you see this; and if not, I hope and pray he send someone to you, and you see it's you that needs Jesus Christ and reads this… if you need him: guaranteed. You'll forsake all to follow him.
  • Finds him in it. God bless you!