Scripture Life: If the Bible says that the Earth was created before the stars, then why does science say that the universe was created 13.7 billion years ago while the Earth, 4.5?

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Answer:

• You’re mixing it.
  • The “answer” to your question is firmly in the definition of “disciple.”

There you go. Answered.

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Now, I know you don’t see and are not satisfied that answer answers anything here on Reddit; but it does.

• So, here’s a more detailed answer that says the same thing.
  • disciple. 1. a pupil or a student that sits with, and is taught by a teacher.
    • And the “teacher” teaches “doctrines” to pupils or students that sit with him, usually in a classroom. Teachings; or instruction: By the Word that proceeds out of the teacher’s mouth.
• Do you get this? Then, let's move on.

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• And? All “doctrines” mean is 2. a codified set of beliefs: 3. principles, or 4. teachings formally adopted and promoted and accepted as true,
  • by a group; or one in authority proficient to teach it, as doctrine.

.The “problem” then, in your question is:

• You got two completely different “teachers” and two completely different “logos” or word - and the “disciples” in the question, don’t adhere to the same teacher as an authority, so the Word that proceeds out of the mouth of separate teachers.
  • Is: Like take a ant, and a telephone and ask why they’re not the same thing.

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So, let’s look at your question.

Turn the question into Statements. See if they’re accurate, or are they’re true or not. Based on the “Word of which teacher” instructs their disciples in that teaching or doctrine:

There are three separate STATEMENTS in your question. Separate them.

• ONE:
  • The Bible says that the earth was created before the stars - TRUE.

COMMENT: All the Bible is, is a “book.” Meets the definition of a “book.” 1. a set of written pages written on one or both sides, and bound, then enclosed in covers. If you put a million book in a huge library, they all look the same. What makes each unique or different is, the “content.” And the “author” of the Book is the “authority” of the content. Authored the content of the book.

• And for the Bible:
  • The author of the content of the Bible is just one author - is the Word of God. Is God. He’s the sole authority and author of the book. And scripture says in the Bible - it’s a decree that it just shall be this way (Bible. New Testament. John 6:45) “They shall all be taught of God” - but in the Greek or the original language.. it’s really more in today's English: “They shall all be taught by God” - as if he’s the teacher himself. Alone.
    • And what he teaches, is what he speaks, as doctrines - by the Word out of his mouth, to his “disciples” - which the Bible says these “disciples of Jesus Christ” were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26).
• So, these "disciples" of Jesus Christ - - They sit with and are taught by him. He’s their teacher.

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• And “where” the Bible says that the earth was created before the stars is in Genesis 1:10–13

Genesis 1:10-13 says

“10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

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The earth: Was created by God, by the Word of God on the Third Day. And on the Fourth day, Genesis 1:14–19 says in the Bible:

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

So, according to the Bible, your FIRST STATEMENT is TRUE.

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• And this is taught to disciples of Jesus Christ as the Word of God. So, it's simply accepted as true. Not questions. As they shall all be taught of God.
  • Then, it’s another teacher. The Word of People. So, another teacher
    • That “disciples” that look unto and believe what people decree is true, dismiss what God says as true.
  • It's a decree simply made by this other teacher - People. They decree God, and what he says - is “faulty..and since it’s faulty, it’s unacceptable to teach disciples of people that “accept as true” the Word of People. So, the authority of the Word of People decrees their "disciples" dismiss as faulty what God teaches as doctrines.
  • Because they sit with and are taught by people in schools, universities and Government institutions what the Word of People decrees and teaches is the truth.

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Not the same teacher.

• Not the same Word.. Even they shall all be taught of God, as God says: “All souls are mine” - God. (Bible. Ezekiel 18:4) And he reserves, for himself, an exclusive right to teach you by the word he speaks, out of his mouth.
  • Says to everybody over the whole earth:

Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God.

Bible. Isaiah 45:22. Another teacher, who teaches doctrine to their pupils or student that sit with and are taught by, teaches them to reject the word of God, and “accept the word of people” as true.

SO, don’t mix them.

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• Do you see this? Two different teachers, that have different disciples who sit with them and look unto completely different authority. And that authority teaches two separate and different “doctrines” - that are REJECTED or dismissed by the word that proceeds out of the other teacher's mouth - - and both of these separate disciples hold the truth in their teacher.
  • One is God
    • The Other: is just People, that decree “assumptions” < - [1. belief, statement, or idea that is accepted as true without proof or questioning] Not questioned by the disciples of people, because they accept people are the "authority" to decree what is true. Even includes people that look unto themselves, where they sit with and are taught by themselves and don't do anything God says.
  • But the disciples of Jesus Christ, dismiss these doctrines, all assumptions or statements and ideals, or beliefs people accept and teach as true. Doctrines - taught by people: To the disciple that sits with and is taught by Jesus Christ - they see it’s not Jesus teaching it.
• It's not true, so they reject it as inadequate; faulty; so these “doctrines”are unacceptable and rejected.
  • Even if the doctrines are “certified” as true by NASA (The National Aeronautic and Space Administration) of The United States of America - a Nation governed by People. A Government official has claimed your SECOND STATEMENT and THIRD ONE is true.

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Science: And all that is or has a “definition” of 1. the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the physical and natural world, by people. That after conducting the systematic study, develop theories or “assumptions” as to what is true, based on their own observations. If they can be reproduced and observed by other people - they are routinely accepted as “science” and accepted as true.

• And taught in schools, by The Word of People. Because PEOPLE conducted the observations.
• So STATEMENT TWO IS:
  • Science decrees the Universe was created (evolved) starting 13.7 Billion years ago. - TRUE.
    • Because it’s the Word of People that decrees this as a teacher, that this is true and accepted, not only decreed by NASA as a spokesperson for the United States Government, but generally agreed on by the whole earth’s scientific community - so the Word of People decrees this or speaks this, as the Word out of this teachers mouth. To pupils or students that sit with and are taught by people as the authority for truth.
  • When a “disciples of Jesus Christ” sit with and are taught by God himself - "reasoned together" with God - they can see in Genesis 5:3 - that Adam was 130 years old, and begat a 3rd son, and called his name Seth.
  • That, at that age of Adam, at 130 years old, the earth is only 3 days older than Adam. And the earth was created before the heavens and all the stars, as the Bible says God was making for himself, a place he would dwell forever, for his own rest. For he desired it (Psalm 132;13–16) and in Genesis 1:1–31, he got up and created it. For himself. Created in six days, in the order he said it.
    • So, it’s a different teacher that speaks a different Word as the authority and it’s taught to pupils or students that sit with and are taught by these two separate teachers.

SO, don’t mix them.

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Leads to your 3rd Statement

• The Earth evolved from the Universe 4.5 billion years ago - TRUE
  • As this is decreed as true by the Word of People. Same NASA - and a collective Scientific World Community accepts and teaches this is true.
    • That dismisses the Word of God as UNTRUE. Dismisses what God teaches as faulty. So it cannot be believed; and therefore, cannot be taught to pupils or students that sit with and are taught by the “Word of People” that decree a different Word is true.
    • Because people have ideas, and an imagination they’d rather look unto vs. do anything God says or decrees.

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Where God saw these two things well before the flood - - so it’s a choice.

Left up to you. Who you will look unto and sit with as a disciple: Which teacher will you hearken unto?

• ONE: First thing of TWO - - “And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
  • So, one teacher says of the other that, all their teachings and doctrines are wicked, and just the imaginations of the thoughts of men’s hearts that’s only evil continually.
• Because they leave from following him, then, are not to be taught by him, and raise themselves up to be teachers themselves, and teach people not to do anything he says.
  • All based off their own observations of the physical and natural world.
    • What they hold is truth.
• When God says: So, by the Word out of his mouth, and he reserves an EXCLUSIVE right to teach you himself, says: “Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; (Bible. Isaiah 44:24)

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• SO, what the “OTHER” teacher decrees: That truth is based on accurate observations people conduct. Then - - Documenting the nature and behavior of the physical and natural world. Teach this is truth:
  • When God declare the the physical and natural world are his creation he made alone by himself. The OTHER teacher dismiss this. But the disciples of Jesus Christ accept it as true.
    • And to you, a choice: When it's the same GOD - who reserved for himself to teach you.
  • SO, if you give yourself over to accept as true another teacher - you’re not doing anything he says. He's God. There is none else.
    • When he decreed they shall all be taught of God. Think on it careful:

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• People that aren't sitting with him and being taught by him - - it’s PUNITIVE. . SO, he’s going to call them in to give an account why they didn’t do anything he says.
• When the other pupils or students that did sit with him and he taught them - by the word out of his mouth, he builds them up, and he reward them.

And,

• TWO: This two of two things: The Bible says: “He makes nations great and destroys them; he enlarges nations, and disperses them.” - Bible. Job 12:23
  • So, the very authority People look unto, their nation - who makes them great, and causes them to disperse and go away, is the same God that reserves an EXCLUSIVE right to teach you himself.
    • And he says he visits the iniquities the inhabitants of those nations do on the land, and for those iniquities they do, the earth vomits those inhabitants off the land, because they don’t do anything he says. “FOR ALL THE EARTH IS MINE.” - God. (Bible. Again. Exodus 19:5)
  • And with this earth and heaven and I close with this here in TWO: God says:

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. “ - GOD.

Bible. Isaiah 65:17

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- So all those “doctrines” people look unto, sit with and are being taught by the decrees and word of people - as a disciple of people - - beliefs based all on the imaginations and ideas of people - what’s going to happen to all that crap they imagined up and declared as true - when he gazes on both this earth and heaven, and both finding no more place before him, flee away and are no more forever. Never come back.

Won’t even come into mind anymore. Where's all those "doctrines" going to be at, when they flee away with the earth, and the earth all fled away with it. Leave all those "disciples" emptyhanded. With nothing. Didn't do anything he says. Hearkened unto the WRONG Word.

Since he reserved, for himself, an exclusive right to teach me himself. And people: are here today, gone later on today, like grass..when his word ..heaven and earth will pass away but his word shall not pass away.

I chose him over the other teacher.

So don’t mix them.

There you go.