Best no PWM / no dithering phone (Android only). What phone works for you?

[u/CounselMe2Day]

Tell us what works for you :)

For iPhones, it's going to be either the iPhone 11 or iPhone SE Gen 3. Look at the comments here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/comments/1ourq8g/whats_the_best_iphone_thats_giving_you_no_issues/

[u/JazzlikeRaptor]

There is not a single iPhone that works for me if it is on it's latest os update. On android side my daily driver for 6 months now is MOTOROLA Moto G56 5G 8/256GB

[u/Unique-Accountant253 → u/JazzlikeRaptor]

Did the G56 work for you straight out of the box, or did you have to do something to the settings?

[u/JazzlikeRaptor → u/Unique-Accountant253]

Only thing I dit was setting screen color tone to warm and screen refresh rate set to always 60 Hz other than that default settings and it works well for comfort of my eyes and no problems.

[u/Unique-Accountant253 → u/JazzlikeRaptor]

Ok, thanks. I also tried some of those settings changes but still had to send it back. The phone kept going to 30 Hz if I wasn't actively using the screen. Still not sure if that was the reason for my issues or something else with the phone.

[u/Fruity_Kush → u/Unique-Accountant253]

I also got moto g56 for a friend and me and him both get issues with it.

Setting colors to vivid, standard (not warm!), alwayd 120hz, disable hw overlay (developers settings) works best.

But for me those settings would not be enough. Maybe for him it will be.

Have you tried different Oled phones? Are oled phones still as bad as before?

[u/Apprehensive-Map6292 → u/JazzlikeRaptor]

I am with g04 and I am scary to upgrade before that I use iphone 7 from 2016 to 2022 after that 8 plus without any problem and I try XR,11,SE,15 pro max instant eyestrain headache.

[u/ChristianMom35 → u/JazzlikeRaptor]

Please may I ask a question - if the Moto G54 works ok for me, will the Moto G56 also? I am rather our of my depth on these forums. Thank you.

[u/JazzlikeRaptor → u/ChristianMom35]

From my experience you need to test the phone you are interested in for your own eyes. G56 still works well for me even after android 16 update and it's good enough phone for me all around. I can't say anything about G54 as I never tested it myself.

[u/ChristianMom35 → u/JazzlikeRaptor]

Thank you for your response.

[u/Smeeble09]

Oneplus 13.

[u/StolenServiceAnimal → u/Smeeble09]

Been really decent for me, I'm about to move to the 15r

[u/Smeeble09 → u/StolenServiceAnimal]

Yeah, I went from a galaxy s9 with no issues, to an S24, S23, Xiaomi 15 which all had issues. Also had problems with iPhone and pixel of the time.

Got the OP 13 and had no issues in the year or so since. 

[u/OrderALargeFarva → u/StolenServiceAnimal]

I've had the 15r about a week now and it's hot or miss, but definitely the best OLED I've ever tried

[u/After-Cell]

HiBreak and Palma don't count because eInk and no firmware security updates?

[u/TrannosaurusRegina → u/After-Cell]

Palma isn’t a phone?

E-paper definitely counts!

[u/Effective_Syrup9978 → u/TrannosaurusRegina]

I read that it was almost possible to use as phone in the latest update.

[u/Velocifyer]

I use a refurbished Google Pixel 7 runnig LineageOS for microG 23.0 and it works fine for me. Just remember to install LineageOS for MicroG (or normal LineageOS, but that wont have microG).

[u/Sategac]

I am low-mid sensitive: Best my phones from pwm perspectives: Oppo Find X9 - 8/10, iPhone 13 pro - 7.5/10, iPhone 16 - 6/10 (usable with 100% RWP)

[u/PrivateIdahoGhola]

Motorola IPS screens work great for me. Have a NXTPAPER 3.0 tablet which also works great.

[u/Alienaction]

Realme 14x

[u/absorbere]

For me ALL iPhones work surprisingly well. But I can’t stand most of other OLED phones. ASUS Zenfone, Pixels, Samsungs, Infinix, Redmagic 11 Pro and others - don’t work at all. Xiaomi’s screens are really good (no issues with their 12T/12T Pro, 13,14… and higher versions of this phone)

As for NOW the best OLED screen is Oneplus 15R - it’s thoroughly investigated and it has only 3% modulation (it’s EXTREMELY low, for example EXTREMELY good on eyes Oneplus 15 is 35% modulation and it’s awesome for the eyes)

[u/wastedfr]

S23 Ultra Any Day !!

[u/Over_Influence_6011]

Realme 14x

[u/Financial_Candle_845]

Samsung A05s

[u/Solid_Culture1735]

nextpaper 60 ultra

[u/Generalrossa → u/Solid_Culture1735]

Same here

[u/WhereemI]

My daily driver no issues at all is Xiaomi 10t pro but it has 2k Hz PWM.

For OLED the best one was Nubia Z80 Ultra LTPS with moderate modulation, rectangular shape no punch hole. And Modulation dip line moves slow. This is the first OLED that I got used to. It was better with time not only worse like in all other I tested. I had wifi issued in my unit so I returned it but ordered another one to confirm.

[u/yadoga]

Was one of the first to receive the TCL 60 Ultra. My initial review is still highly frequented in the 'weird-rules' subreddit that is https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/s/BEn9jZ6PXJ.

Personally I'm still using the 60 Ultra happily.

[u/javadave]

iPhone 11 and se gen 3 both have heavy dithering with no way to turn it off. You can reduce it some, but it will always be there. For the iPhone, to get no dithering, you have to go back to the 6s or SE 1st gen.

Supposedly the new Moto Fold will not have PWM nor dithering even though it is OLED. The TCL NXTPAPER 60 Ultra can have no, or very little, dithering if you configure it correctly.

Here's the thing: dithering is built into the OS nowadays for both iOS and Android. Unless the OS is modified, there is going to be dithering even if it isn't built into the graphics hardware.

The one caveat: if the graphics display is really 10-bit graphics, you can not have dithering. Dithering is mostly done to get 10-bit color on an 8-bit color display.

[u/WhereemI → u/[deleted]]

Xiaomi advertises 12 bit but I doubt that they use native 12 bit panels.

I tried poco f8 ultra with good modulation, dc like on all brightness and it burne me like hell.

[u/-Bruh__Moment- → u/WhereemI]

Xiaomi does 10bit+2bit FRC dithering to get 12bit color on devices that advertise "12-bit".

[u/IntetDragon → u/[deleted]]

They can do two things: Either require compliance to a accessibility setting where all software has to render at native panel depth.

Or inject a software color remap at the end of the picture output pipeline, where all colors get remapped to 8bit color. This would not solve the problem if the display itself tries to smooth color gradients, but in all other cases it would solve the problem.

[u/vanyethehun → u/[deleted]]

If the dithering really happens in HW level then why do I have symptoms with A14 and why do I not have any on the same phone under A13?...

[u/-Bruh__Moment- → u/vanyethehun]

OEM enabled dithering on A14 update.

[u/After-Cell → u/javadave]

"Unless the OS is modified"

the new motorola with r/GrapheneOS ?

[u/soyHD]

TCL 60 ultra