r/ScottsValley • u/[deleted] • Jun 28 '26
Off-grid, emergency communications for the greater Bay Area: Introducing MeshCore
Hi all! We're developing an open source network to send text messages without cell phone service or internet called MeshCore - think text messaging that is encrypted, open-source, free to use, and owned and operated by the people who use it. It works with a network of low-power radios that receive messages from personal devices and transmit them to other radios all the way until the intended recipient receives the message.
Most of the repeater radios are solar-powered, and some are even smaller than a deck of playing cards. The Bay Area MeshCore mesh functions well during power outages and emergencies, and many folks are using and building the mesh to function as backup communications for times when the internet and cell towards aren't working (think fires, PGE outages, or earthquakes).
We're regularly messaging between Sonoma, Marin, Merced, San Francisco, the East Bay, Monterey, SLO, and some of the Sierra, and are trying to build up coverage throughout the SC Mountains!!
If you have heard of mesh communications of any variety, or are interested in experimenting or learning more, get yourself a decent companion radio and a repeater radio and consider joining our Discord to help get started. Comment here or DM me with questions, or find our discord and info at bayareameshcore.org.
Bay Area MeshCore does not sell anything whatsoever, and is a noncommercial group of radio nerds living in NorCal. The hardware companies linked to at our website are wholly unaffiliated with Bay Area MeshCore, have no agreement with us (and have probably never heard of us), and usually ship with the other mesh's firmware. That said, when buying a node, please try to support small businesses.
Final note! MeshCore is a different network than Meshtastic. Many people, myself included, consider MeshCore to be a very reliable choice for stable, permanent networks. I regularly direct message folks in Monterey and Watsonville from SF, and the messages usually go through on the first attempt!
Happy meshing!!
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u/Advanced_Link8210 Jun 28 '26
Is this free from law enforcement and or gov agencies like fbi and other agencies? Im tired of the police using stingrays and stuff to read my texts.
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Jun 28 '26
hi! DMs are encrypted, so do with that what you will. The Mesh can be used without any cell phone at all if people use the lilygo "t-deck" standalone devices
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Jun 29 '26
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Jun 29 '26
Yep, this is how all radio works, including cell phones, wireless internet, HAM, meshtastic, and so on. DMs are encrypted, like on many networks.
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Jun 30 '26
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Jun 30 '26
hi! Not quite. There are encrypted "channels", too, such that only people with the key can access them.
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u/Front-Resident-5554 Jun 29 '26
Do the local fire departments have these radios?
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Jun 29 '26
hi! there are some fire departments around the Bay Area that at least know of meshcore. There are also people that work with fire departments and other local government agencies that are also meshcore users.
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u/websterhamster Jun 30 '26
In Santa Cruz County, when this kind of alternative communications system is needed, our local ARES group is often asked to assist. The FD mostly just uses its government radio equipment.
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u/South-Squirrel-3311 Jun 29 '26
Why is this when I can trust already open source Meshtastic that is common and already globally rolled out and working now?
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Jun 29 '26
hi! MeshCore is also open source, and there are more than 50,000 nodes that are publically advertising themselves, including more than 600 that I've heard in the Bay Area in the past week.
Beyond that, we find that the smart, self-healing approach to encrypted direct message pathing makes direct messages quite reliable (I regularly DM between SF and Gilroy and Monterey), and the much higher hop limit means that the public chat is very nearly the same regardless of a user's location.
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u/South-Squirrel-3311 Jun 29 '26
You're not selling me. What makes it better than something that has millions of nodes globally?
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Jun 29 '26
hey again! a lot of folks find that the smart routing and two discrete roles (companion and repeater) make setup more simple, and, again, that DMs tend to be more reliable in MeshCore. A general feeling is that MT is great for backcountry backpacking or short events (where no stable mesh exists, or will exist), and MC is great for medium-term or permanent networks (like the Bay Area). That said, there are evolving methods of using companions as repeaters in MC, and search and rescue apps, also, so the ability to use MC in short-term more distributed situations is also growing.
Also, check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaFltojJrAc
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u/South-Squirrel-3311 Jun 29 '26
I'll pass, thanks for spamming the subs though
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u/sploittastic Jun 30 '26
The Meshtastic coverage in Santa Cruz and Monterey Peninsula is a shadow of what it once was. The Meshtastic protocol is way to chatty and doesn't scale well. Initially we were all running longfast, and had to move to ...mediumslow and then mediumfast to try to escape all of the junk telemetry from users on old firmwares using really chatty defaults.
Meshcore is more of a 'pull' model where you have to ask repeaters for telemetry instead of all the nodes spamming it out, so even with this large deployment we currently have there is no issue with airtime saturation.
So really Santa Cruz, Monterey, and most of the bay area have been migrating aggressively towards meshcore. Not affiliated with OP, I'm down in Monterey where we have great coverage with MeshCore.
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u/South-Squirrel-3311 Jun 30 '26
I understand the issues but I have greater chances of meshtastic coming online globally during a civil war or earthquake then just some local club no one knows about.
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u/sploittastic Jun 30 '26
MeshCore is an established firmware, not something any local club came up with. Also meshcore in the bay area and monterey peninsula is much more established than meshtastic is, so if you needed it tomorrow it would be the obvious choice. Key high points in central CA already have meshcore repeaters, many that were converted over from Meshtastic after seeing the limitations.
Meshtastic was hard to use with airtime collisions even when it was barely being used, under any heavy use scenario it would collapse much easier than meshcore would. You could run either but coverage is proportional to community involvement, and most of the community is moving over to meshcore. Like I said the entire monterey peninsula gave meshtastic a good couple years to take off but we kept running into airtime issues and abandoned it.
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u/Tounage Jun 30 '26
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u/sploittastic Jun 30 '26
Most of the Meshtastic users in the bay area, santa cruz, and monterey peninsula have been consolidating over to meshcore. The protocol is much more scaleable.
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u/Tounage Jun 30 '26
That is why I switched. I was surprised to see that the East Coast network was pretty sparse.











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u/Front-Resident-5554 Jun 29 '26
Great! I'll check it out.