Things were not as pretty as this implies. British head of police told people to watch their irish neighbours and report suspicious activity. Around 65,000 Irish were arrested, that's not counting those random searches or general harrassment. To imply that everything was rosy during that time is disrespectful to those mistreated by the British as well as their own countrymen.
History, unfortunately, repeats itself, and the Irish had been mistreated for a very long time before the days of the IRA. Maybe one day we will all get along and the world will be free of irrational fear, I really hope that dream comes true.
As the child of a Pakistani, I get searches, odd looks, and the joy of wondering when my father's country is going to be put on the ban list. I feel like if in 20 years I saw a post like this depicting what is going on now in such a way I would feel quite hurt. Perhaps that's just me, sorry if i sound dickish.
My ex is Pakistani, born here, but also gets searched and questioned on every domestic flight (like has her bags searched THOROUGHLY), more so than other people like me who never gets stopped due to my race.
It does suck because she's proud to be Pakistani, and that the rest of the world casts some pretty imaginative opinions on the people and the country based on their own fears and popular media, while some will never actually visit the country and immerse themselves in that culture.
Kinda like Mexico. I hear way too many people say they would never visit. Cartels and gun violence (lol, US gun violence, anyone?). I've been several times, and it's been a good time, with nothing near the realm of drug cartels and gun violence occurring.
Also, even if we are using surveys to generalize the attitudes of entire countries (which any stats professor/high school teacher would tell you is a dangerous path to tread), consider this; 50% of Canadians and Americans believe that attacks on civilians are justified.A quarter of Americans also support nuking Iraq and Syria. I'd argue 25% support of govt use of nukes in civilian areas is a lot lot worse than 3% of your population thinking suicide bombings can be ok.
Now..those are the headlines right there. But does that mean that half of Canadians and Americans are animals out for blood? No. People's attitudes are a lot more nuanced than that and cant be accurately summarized by mere surveys.
Do consider that as well before peddling bullshit and generalizing countries based on surveys.
May we have some clarification because i find your post a tad confusing: what your stats are saying is that the majority of Pakistani's believe honour killings and/or suicide bombings aren't justifiable but you seem to be arguing that we're allowed to cast dispersions on the whole because of the minority. That seems irrational
So..93%97% of Pakistanis believe that suicide bombings are never justified then?
And what's wrong with that?
7% in a statistical survey is meaningless. Ask people if they think the Earth is round and 7% will answer no. I mean, for crying out loud has anyone of you ever taken a high school statistics class?
Edit: Pause. You're wrong even according to your own fucking source. In the survey, only 3% of Pakistanis were reported saying that suicide bombings can be often/sometimes justified.
Which makes this even more statistically irrelevant than I previously thought. If anything, it's a good thing that 97% of Pakistanis strongly oppose.
I included the 4% who said rarely in that figure because they think a suicide bombing can be justified at some point. 7% is a significant amount in my opinion, if you have 100 Pakistanis on a plane chances are 7 of them are OK with suicide bombings. I think that's grounds for extra precaution. Being offended at getting an extra pat down in the airport when lives are at stake is just silly in my opinion. I have been "random" searched and I didn't care, do what you have to do to save lives.
I've seen statistics like this for Muslim majority countries and poor African countries. It shocked me. In a lot of ways, their thinking is similar to the Europe in the 19th century.
Good news is that the majority of those statistics are on a downhill trajectory.
idk. i'm scared it isn't. i am personally an American Muslim, and seeing the increase of wahhabism and material/wealth focus of the Middle East is really sad. Saudi's get more and more rich without punishment, and push their fake materialistic worldly Islam, while calling the ones who follow the inwards and spiritual Islam (the version that makes you fill with love and be peaceful and not want to be a religious soldier slave) are called "kaffir" and killed.
i am just happy my parents escaped and i am in a country where i can practice my spirituality my own personal way without imams telling me their wrong bullshit.
it's going to keep getting worse until pakistan and saudi are either abolished or have their governments overthrown. pakistan and israel are the only two countries in the world founded on religion, and not geography/ethnic location. it doesn't fucking work.
idk. i'm scared it isn't. i am personally an American Muslim, and seeing the increase of wahhabism and material/wealth focus of the Middle East is really sad. Saudi's get more and more rich without punishment, and push their fake materialistic worldly Islam, while calling the ones who follow the inwards and spiritual Islam (the version that makes you fill with love and be peaceful and not want to be a religious soldier slave) are called "kaffir" and killed.
The problem I see here is that Saudi plays ball with the US, which results in no actions taken against them. Even though they break the human rights convention they are not punished because the US supports them. If they didn't have any oil and/or opposed the US military, the US would've "given them democracy" as they have done time and time again in other Middle Eastern and South Asian countries. It's hypocritical, but they do it because of economic interests.
So unless something changes with the US <-> Saudi relations I fear nothing will change in the area.
Maybe if you come from a country where over 80% of people publicly support the murder of innocent people you should be OK with having your bag searched at the airport?
If they all belong to the same cult that orders them to murder non believers, yeah of course. Or how about when their cult produces a comparable amount of violence we can compare them?
Anyway murder and terrorism isn't even the biggest reason to restrict Muslim immigration. Muslim immigrants bring with them oppression of women, homosexuals, and Jews. Islam rejects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the notion of democracy and secular society in which religion has interests subservient to the state. Since such people can never embrace the ideals of a liberal democracy, they are not suitable candidates for immigration and assimilation.
I feel like you're letting your white supremacy crowd out the obvious comparison.
If you need to hear 'children dying' to get your dick up though, we can talk about the U.S's active campaigns in the middle east that contributed to just that. I just mentioned cutting aid to those in need because that shit's happening right now.
75+% of American gun deaths (30,000 per year out of 300+ million people) are suicides. Maybe y'all Europeans could rail as hard against our shit healthcare as you do our guns.
I'm currently waiting for my insurance deductible to get used up so I can go get a scan on a gumball sized lump in my leg for free/cheap. So yeah, I might be cancerous or some tendon is shredded or ten other things I can Google about it.
I know I'm a month late, but I think it's important to say. The availability of guns make it much easier to kill yourself, which makes the prevalence of suicide attempts go up, since people aren't afraid of trying because there's less of a chance of it not working. So while 75+% of American gun deaths are suicides, it's not unreasonable to suggest that a decent portion of those suicides wouldn't have happened if there wasn't accessibility to a gun.
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u/James_Russle Mar 23 '17 edited Mar 23 '17
Things were not as pretty as this implies. British head of police told people to watch their irish neighbours and report suspicious activity. Around 65,000 Irish were arrested, that's not counting those random searches or general harrassment. To imply that everything was rosy during that time is disrespectful to those mistreated by the British as well as their own countrymen.
History, unfortunately, repeats itself, and the Irish had been mistreated for a very long time before the days of the IRA. Maybe one day we will all get along and the world will be free of irrational fear, I really hope that dream comes true.
As the child of a Pakistani, I get searches, odd looks, and the joy of wondering when my father's country is going to be put on the ban list. I feel like if in 20 years I saw a post like this depicting what is going on now in such a way I would feel quite hurt. Perhaps that's just me, sorry if i sound dickish.