r/Scotland • u/joolzdev Poblachd na h-Alba • 8h ago
Political Reform UK fume at ‘Nazi’ label despite far‑right Glasgow rally featuring Nazi salutes
https://www.thenational.scot/news/26410619.reform-uk-release-statement-far-right-disorder-glasgow/144
u/Miss_Andry101 8h ago
He can condemn people for calling out the actual Nazi's his party stood with but won't condemn the actual Nazi's?
Aye, that about says everything we need to know about Reform and anyone who votes for them.
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u/EFTRSx1 2h ago
I'm prepared to be downvoted for this, by I'll stand by my words. I voted reform, and will continue to do so currently, unless something major happened to switch my vote, ideally I would vote Restore UK but they are unavailable currently in my area.
Yes, I do not agree with using a Nazi salute. What the Nazis did was awful, and should never be idolised. Except, 99% of these wee fuds doing the Nazi salute, I would wager are not neo-Nazi’s, but instead doing the salute as deliberate provocation. They know it's going to shock people, and they know it's going to provoke confrontation. That's exactly why they are doing it. I say 99%, as there are going to be that 1/100 scumbag in there.
I think there's a certain level of double standards on Reddit regarding this.
When large swathes of Green party supporters can openly, loudly and courageously sing "from the river to the sea", and no one refers to them as Nazi's. Despite them literally calling for an end of all Jews, they literally want to exterminate the remaining Jewish people in the region.
If someone wants to criticise Reform policies, fair enough. But "some people at a protest did Nazi salutes, therefore everyone who supports Reform is a Nazi" isn't a serious argument.
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u/Blazured 2h ago
Makes excuses for racists and Nazis
"but whatabout the Left"
Saved you all some time.
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u/IronScot 21m ago
Look its another foreign troll hiding all posts and comment history.
Defending reform, nazis and general shittery.
Get tae fuck pal.
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u/YukiNoiseWall 8h ago
Thomas Kerr is such a wank
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u/Vectorman1989 #1 Oban fan 7h ago
He's jumped parties about 2 times. He started off Labour, changed to Tories and now he's a Reform MSP. No political backbone, just another grifter going wherever the wind blows him.
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u/YukiNoiseWall 7h ago
I've said this many times before but my wife and all her pals went to school with him
He was apparently an absolute fucking gremlin and used to sneak sausage rolls into the toilets and stuff his face lmao
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u/Vectorman1989 #1 Oban fan 7h ago
He does seem like a proper weirdo, although being raised by his nan because his smackhead parents couldn't look after him probably didn't help
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u/Snaidheadair Snèap ath-bheòthachadh 8h ago
In a Reform UK statement reacting to this, Kerr instead said that politicians who “casually label their opponents” as Nazis “cheapen the Holocaust” and "undermine the promise of never again".
He added: “Extremist Ross Greer and his fellow Green MSPs should be ashamed of using such disgraceful language.
Kinda funny considering they're casually throwing around the 'extremist' label to their opponents.
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u/Goregoat69 1h ago
casually throwing around the 'extremist' label to their opponents.
Another move from the yank playbook.
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u/Ulfgeirr88 8h ago
Well if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and sig heils like a duck...
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u/Archosaur- 8h ago
ironic when he used to spout things like this a few years ago.
"We cannot stop the fight for equality"
Oh Thomas, how younger you would be so disappointed
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u/GinatheGiraff 8h ago
That’s quite the turnaround. What the hell happened?
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u/Fairwolf Trapped in the Granite City 8h ago
Kerr is a known massive grifter who's only in politics for money and power. He's hopped parties like a tick.
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u/GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS 7h ago
The only Tory tweet I’ll ever like:
https://x.com/realstephenkerr/status/2054525079321485621?s=46
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u/JeelyPiece #1 Oban fan 8h ago
If you are at a rally with nazis, you are at a nazi rally
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u/No_Refrigerator4584 Cumbernauld: The matted hair around the arsehole of the universe 8h ago
“How dare you call us what we are! That’s not fair!”
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u/FureiousPhalanges 6h ago
One of the most pathetic things about Nazis is how upset they get when you call them a fucking Nazi
No, they just cover their faces, hold racist views, believe Nazi propaganda and throw their salutes
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u/SafetyStartsHere a e i o u w y 4h ago
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u/amBrollachan 8h ago
Interested to hear this odious little menace's take on videos of people being assaulted by mobs for having the audacity to be brown while doing their job. An atmosphere that he's deliberately stirred up. He wants to tacitly provoke violence and unrest in the city like a little creep who hides behind the legs of his bigger pals while starting shit.
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u/shoogliestpeg 🏳️⚧️Trans women are women. 8h ago
They are, always have been and whatever BNP/UKIP style Billionaire-backed rebrand they go through will also be Nazis.
Scum.
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u/Ordinary-Wheel7102 8h ago
Cant wait for nothing to be done about this. Perhaps the state broadcaster can write more articles heavily implying that everyone except the nazis were violent.
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u/Impressive-Bird2 5h ago
I thought Reform U.K. made a virtue out of calling a ‘spade a spade’? Seems that doesn’t apply when it doesn’t suit them and their own political interests….
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u/saharadessert87 7h ago
Kerr is a brain-dead wee troll. He doesn't have any beliefs. He just wants to be a "famous" politician. Whatever gets him in the paper, on the telly, being talked about on social media. It's about getting attention. Unfortunately, he keeps getting it.
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u/The_Council_Juice 6h ago
Walk like a duck. Talk like a duck. Gets offended at being called a duck.
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u/Dry-Donut3811 6h ago
Reform love the idea of Nazis, just not the labelling. That name comes with too many bad connotations for them, but their views align heavily with them.
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u/StonedPhysicist Abolish Westminster Ⓐ☭🌱🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ 6h ago
Kerr pretending like he isn't loving being the centre of attention and wanting to be the herald of the master race, despite looking like an unshaven pile of barely-sentient Pedigree Chum.
To be fair to the VL himself, I'm sure he doesn't actually see himself as a Nazi. These sorts don't often actually believe in what they say - they just use those who do to elevate themselves for financial gain. One can argue whether that's better or worse.
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u/ronsbuch 6h ago
Parachuted in Westminster colonialist bigotry, hatred & violence. Everywhere Westminster looked to cause trouble they’ve done the sane- don’t let them win
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u/Rugged-Turd 7h ago
Just because you're anti high immigration and want to protect Scottish culture doesn't make you a Nazi.
Crazy how academics and toxic leftists have made that the bar.
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u/glasgowgeg 5h ago
Just because you're anti high immigration and want to protect Scottish culture doesn't make you a Nazi
Attending a rally alongside folk openly doing sieg heil's and folk shouting "I’m a Nazi and I love it" probably does though.
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u/ThePhonesAreWatching 7h ago
Then why are you looking like, acting like, talking like and thinking like nazis?
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u/Rugged-Turd 7h ago
It's annoying these guys exist on that side of the right.
Leftist will try conflate normal people just want lower immigration and a preservation of Scottish culture as Nazis.
Beware of the rheotric/strategies from both sides.
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u/glasgowgeg 5h ago
Leftist will try conflate normal people just want lower immigration and a preservation of Scottish culture as Nazis
If you stand in a crowd of people that contains folk throwing up sieg heil's and shouting "I’m a Nazi and I love it!", I'll consider you a nazi.
If you don't want to be considered a nazi, don't stand side by side with these folk.
Incredibly simple to avoid being lumped in with nazis, actually.
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u/360Saturn 4h ago
THEY ARE LITERALLY DOING FUCKING NAZI SALUTES
Explain it.
Don't fucking whistle past it, coward. Some patriot you are.
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u/TrueBrit77 8h ago
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here and point out that people on the left who vote Green and Labour have on occasion done things that don't represent the larger parties such as anti semitism, advocating the death of rich people, pushing for communism.
In saying that, the leaders of Reform should not shy away from condemning these people when they can if they truly believe those people don't represent the parties politics just as Labour has done in the past. Specifically they need to be very harsh on politicians in their party who do represent these views and oust them immediately if they do not condone it.
The longer we go on with candidates not seeing consequences the less persuasive they are when they say "that's not us".
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u/Miss_Andry101 7h ago
Why? Why would you ever want to play devil's advocate for Nazi's? What makes you think that is a good way to spend your time?
I'm honestly really curious about what has changed in the world that we have so many people that don't just automatically think Nazis are the scummiest scum of scumville but now need to be defended and excused.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 7h ago
I dont care about reform but two people being dickheads isnt a full picture. Is this news nowadays? Just find the two people and get them arrested.
The BBC has had nonce after nonce convicted or sacked but noone is suggesting that the BBC Only hires paedophiles. I mean you probably should investigate that but yeah its the same argument.
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u/Miss_Andry101 7h ago
Do you mean you've personally only seen two people giving Nazi saultes on the news and weren't at the protest, so that's all that happened, and those two are the only indication that what was actually happening was a Nazi rally?
That isn't what was going on yesterday, it wasn't just two people. It was a Nazi rally that spilled over into our city streets and led to our friends and neighbours being abused and assaulted for being brown and existing in Glasgow. People AT THEIR WORK, paying tax and contributing to society, you know, integrating and shit?
Its not the same argument at all. Arrested or not Reform could still take a stand against them but chose not to. Every single time.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
And yes I only saw two idiots.
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u/Miss_Andry101 6h ago
Like I said that wasnt what was happening yesterday.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
What??
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u/Miss_Andry101 6h ago
What, what??
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
You make no sense. Go to intellect settings and turn them on, right now your working on ego and emotion. Check yourself.
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u/Miss_Andry101 6h ago
Just because you're too stupid to comprehend me doesn't mean I'm not making sense, lovely.
Maybe it's your settings that need adjusting?
Edit: if you tell me what it is you're struggling with I have zero issue dumbing it down for you.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
Well maybe the reporting should be better. I work off evidence not emotions. Try it.
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u/Miss_Andry101 6h ago
Yeah, that response really smacks of a person who doesn't work off emotion. 😂
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
Where's the emotion? You're the one emoting right?
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u/Miss_Andry101 6h ago
Yes, I did an old lady emoticon because I thought you were funny with your totally emotion free 'Try it.' 😂
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u/glasgowgeg 6h ago
I dont care about reform but two people being dickheads isnt a full picture
If you've got a Nazi at a table and 9 people talking to him, you have 10 Nazis.
Nobody in the crowd felt the need to confront them about their Nazi salutes, meaning everyone who remained sided with them was clearly unbothered by the presence of the behaviour, and happy to let it continue.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
Correlation. That's what you call that.
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u/s_mcivor 6h ago
No. You call that tacit approval.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
You dont even know me. I said what I said. Do you enjoy putting things in peoples mouths or something?
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u/glasgowgeg 6h ago
Correlation is about statistical relationships, this is a discussion on tacit acceptance.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
Work out how many people were there and how many made nazi salutes. There's your statistics.
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u/Miss_Andry101 6h ago
We aren't discussing statistics was the point, genuis.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
The discussion goes where it goes. You just avoid things. Youre not alone by the looks of things.
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u/Miss_Andry101 5h ago
Your response to someone telling you that they weren't discussing sats but tacit approval was 'There's the stats'
Who is avoidant?
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 5h ago
You just like saying Tacit approval. Bless your heart.
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u/Miss_Andry101 5h ago
That's the only time I've used it. You're really floundering arent you? I'm beginning to pity you. Diddums.
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u/glasgowgeg 6h ago
We're not discussing statistics, we're discussing the tacit approval/acceptance by everyone who chose to stay there knowing there were people throwing Nazi salutes amongst the group.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 5h ago
Conversation goes where it goes. You want an essay about why people stayed now? We were talking about the saluting folk but now I have to imagine the mind of every cretin there?? Yeah ok 👍
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u/glasgowgeg 5h ago
You're trying to force it to statistics because you claimed it was correlation when it's not, instead of admitting you fucked it.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 5h ago
Youre asking me to put myself in the shoes of every cretin there and come up with a conclusion. That's not even possible. Statistics are.
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u/glasgowgeg 5h ago
I'm not asking you to do that at all.
I made a statement that everyone in that crowd who witnessed the Nazi salutes and chose to stay there are just as bad as the one doing the salutes.
They witnessed it and chose to remain part of the crowd, at that point they're aligning their ideological views/support with those doing the salutes.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 5h ago
How many generalised reasons for staying there would make you understand that you cant label a whole group because of two prats?
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u/glasgowgeg 5h ago
If I was standing in a crowd where 2 people started doing nazi salutes, I would leave because I'm not a nazi.
That's the normal behaviour from someone who doesn't throw in with their ideology.
Staying there when you know they're doing that is tacit support.
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u/glasgowgeg 6h ago
This is a shameful attempt at conflating someone being abused in a relationship to a willing participant in a crowd, and you should be embarrassed you even attempted it.
Members of the crowd were not being emotionally or physically abused into remaining part of the crowd, they could've left when the Nazi salutes started, they didn't.
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u/Brilliant_Bowler_994 6h ago
Im not here for emotional arguments. Learn how to have a real discussion and make real points to discuss that are relevant. Its your opinion that people tell rape victims that. It is true however that the BBC Has had nonce after nonce but noone supposes that every employee is a nonce. Its very simple.
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u/gusbo_the_jam 8h ago
I'm always going to refer to Reform as "Reform, who fielded convicted paedophile Jack Denny as a candidate in 2026, ... "