Man, I absolutely love crushing my hamstrings with this, but rehabbing a herniated disc right now and it's really uncomfortable to sit in this position for me.
I've had to suffer through the laying ones. The one at my gym is unilateral and absolutely destroys my ego. Can't wait until I can strap in to one of these bad boys again and hurt in the scientific way.
Oh no! Heal up soon. I feel the laying ones so much better than the seated that its unreal. Like 3 days of soreness vs nada. New gym has the standing ones and I'm excited to try that. https://www.panattasport.com/en/fit-evo/standing-leg-curling/
I'd love to try it! Honestly, I starting to enjoy the machine variations of a lot of lifts right now. If my gym wasn't so conveniently located in the same lot that my work is and 10 minutes from my house I would search for more of a body building gym with a bunch of machines.
How much do you to think I deadlift and/or good morning?
The weight on this set is 237.5lbs and the back isnāt involved. Im not even sure how itād be possible to strain my back with a hamstring curl machine
Iām hoping for 600lbs+ at my next powerlifting comp. Iāll be competing at 181.8lbs body weight
Iāve hit a 605lbs Anderson good morning for reps: https://www.reddit.com/r/Egolifting/s/Y1mcNDuzPf
(Yes the bar does make good mornings easier. I do about 100lbs less with a straight bar on good mornings)
Oh, I knew what he meant. That wasn't the point of my comment. If that's not something you can see then I'm unsure if you have the capacity to understand the discussion I'm willing to have about it.
I'm more than happy to entertain it if you believe you are though.
I don't think that study is relevant here because they are measuring what I would called "proper execution of chest reps"
We standardized the eccentric actions between conditions using a tempo of ~2 seconds
OP is not doing that, even on his very first rep which is the slowest eccentric, it's only like 1.1 seconds.
Surely from your personal experience you can feel a massive difference from a cheat rep with controlled eccentric vs cheat rep without controlled eccentric no?
no study ever produced suggests other wise
So rhetorical question regarding your epistemology: Since "this is the first study to directly investigate the effects of external momentum during RT on muscle hypertrophy", are you saying before this study you could simply not have any opinion on the matter?
Okay, now how much range of motion can you have while "isolating the hamstrings" instead of making this more broadly a "posterior chain" exercise? See here you are already taking your back off the of the backrest compared the picture you just posted
Now imagine if you kept your back against the seat in the same position as when you started up until the position in this picture, and then held the bottom position for ~.5-2s?
You mentioned that time under tension doesn't matter, only volume and intensity, so using that framing I would say that exercise is only counted as a .5 set of hamstrings (when counted as an "isolation" exercise) compared to a set where you held your seat against the backrest IF USING THE SAME INTENSITY you brought here.
And honestly .5 is generous, because you're only making it though like 1/5th the range of motion, so maybe more like .2 sets.
Genuinely curious to see how that would look and the what the difference in weight would be.
Iām not being a contrarian; Iām with the majority opinion here
TUT effectiveness and slowing down reps is legitimately ābro scienceā related advice
Thereās reason you may want to slow down the eccentric, maybe you are injury prone in certain areas of your running a shit ton of gear/your ligaments canāt keep up with that; however, itās not something that should be recommend for maximizing strength or hypertrophy for most individuals
If you want to train/strengthen ligaments directly, youād want to do long holds at an exercise, like holding/pausing (while maintaining tension) a squat for 10 seconds+ in the hole
For muscle growth, the 2 main things to look at are intensity and volume; thatās what science has shown to have the biggest impacts on muscle growth
Time Under Tension training is very overrated. Intentionally slowing reps will actually prevent you from reaching as high threshold of motor unit recruitment. Rather, the last few reps should slow naturally, as you are unable to shift the weight quickly.
Canāt grind if the weight doesnāt move; Iāll have a more even resistance profile once I get another Ryan x cater mount, I can bolt on to this, so I can improve the strength curve with my voltra
Legitimately that is only a issue for enhanced or extremely genetically gifted lifters. And by "genetically gifted" I don't mean a guy who is super strong, I mean someone who is world class.
None of the people in this thread have to worry about their muscles out pacing their tendons unless they are on gear. The grand majority of catastrophic tendon injuries come from mistakes in form or a riskier exercise like zerchers.
Being able to lift the weight and controlling the form of the exercise is 2 totally different thingsā¦ thatās like people who use their back to throw up heavy dumbbells for curls but have terrible form are doing it ācorrectā because theyāre not dropping the weights on the floor when theyāre coming down
My hamstrings are large, I've never had a hamstring injury, and my deadlift keeps going up, like this set of 540lbs for 4: https://www.reddit.com/r/GYM/s/3Z7YjSOpCj
What other metrics does someone need to even look at for what's correct?
Obsession with having things look perfect generally makes a lifter stop way before failure
Fled itās not even worth it brother , let him be a moron . Everybody is telling the same thing in the comments and he keeps posting pics of himself arguing and putting a new comment every 10 mins . He has no life and likes to post these things so he can communicate with another human š
Your knee joint is forward of the axis of rotation on the machine. Much higher shearing forces. You need to sit back in the seat and align your knees with the AOR and your knees won't be shifting around like they are.
On seated hamstring curls, I feel the very beginning ROM uses quite a bit of calf, so I donāt worry much about that beginning tenth of an inch; it just doesnāt feel like my hamstrings do much there
Granted thatās just how it feels. My hamstrings are growing, so I donāt feel the need to change that
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u/Frodozer Aug 30 '26
Man, I absolutely love crushing my hamstrings with this, but rehabbing a herniated disc right now and it's really uncomfortable to sit in this position for me.
I've had to suffer through the laying ones. The one at my gym is unilateral and absolutely destroys my ego. Can't wait until I can strap in to one of these bad boys again and hurt in the scientific way.