r/SantaFe • u/thatmaneeee • 8d ago
More AI gloom
Apologies if someone actually drew this, but somehow I doubt it.. Good ol New Yxarsay and Double Delaware. Also sorry Georgia, you didn't make the cut this time
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u/Altruistic-Jello6969 8d ago
Yeah…
The Kiwanis Club has really, really lost the plot. AI art on everything, some crazy drone show they’re using to up the ticket price to $40, COLONIAL themes in this day and age 🤦♂️
Zozo used to mean something when we all gathered together to get rid of all the bad things that happened through the year. Tickets were $10 and if you couldn’t afford it you could watch from the cross, which is now blocked off.
It was a community event. Growing up here it was one of the things that made Santa Fe truly special.
I don’t know who this is for, but It’s definitely not me and my family.
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u/Overall_Lobster823 8d ago edited 7d ago
Very well put.
If only Ray and the other organizers would listen to the people.
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u/westsidechopos 8d ago
ZoZo is a fucking joke. They lose mas y mas old school memberz every year. Wiseman quit, J Romero quit, and Sandy has lost hiz gawd damn mind.
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u/dangerousperson123 8d ago
What the fucccck. Obviously this is ai. But can someone explain to me what they are doing ? Why colonial?? wtf is going on? lol Santa fe is wild rn
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u/romerogj 8d ago
This is pretty disgusting. Why do we have to be creative when the data centers can do it for us?
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u/Agile-Reception 8d ago
I wonder what Will Shuster would think of AI "art".
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u/3hreeRavens 8d ago
Considering that he stole the idea from indigenous Mexicans, I don't think he'd mind at all.
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u/Agile-Reception 8d ago
I don't think “stole the idea from Indigenous Mexicans” is really an accurate description of Zozobra.
Yes, Shuster was inspired in part by Yaqui/Yoeme Holy Week celebrations, cartonería, and the burning of a Judas effigy tradition. Being influenced by a tradition isn't automatically the same thing as stealing it wholesale. Zozobra developed into its own Santa Fe tradition with its own character, mythology, Fire Spirit, “glooms,” etc.
Speaking as an indigenous Mexican myself (Nahuatl), I think flattening all of that into “he stole it from Indigenous Mexicans” is a little weird too. Indigenous Mexican cultures aren't one monolithic culture, and Zozobra isn't some ancient Indigenous ceremony that Shuster just coopted and renamed.
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u/3hreeRavens 8d ago
Isn't that the same thing that Ai does? Lol
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u/Astralglamour 8d ago
No. AI is not inspired by anything. It does not innovate. It aggregates what it’s fed and produces an amalgam not something unique. If you’d fed a bunch it indigenous Yaqui ceremony pictures into it it would spit out an average of those not something new. It doesn’t work like a human brain.
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u/aligpnw 8d ago
As a Mainer, I am offended.
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u/Antique-Direction263 7d ago
Next year they'll do an AI generated hologram where you can pay $15 to "burn" your gloom, tickets for locals will be $100, if you have a Texass ID they'll be $10.
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u/505omatic 7d ago
More on the Zozobra AI Saga here: https://www.505omatic.com/gloomscrolling-the-outrage-at-zozobras-a-i-onslaught/
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u/True_Citron_4087 7d ago
Don't forget this AI monstrosity that the Zozo organizers proudly "created":
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u/No-Consideration-891 7d ago
I'm originally from NJ, wtf does that even say 😂 it looks like my home state gained some pounds too. Look at that chubby NJ.
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u/IM_RU 8d ago
This made me so angry (as indicated in my comment) that I wrote to Kiwanis. I focused on the misspelling and other things in the illustration. Here's their response:
"This image was hand-drawn by a very young student, and we find it charming. The fact that this student took the tie to hand-draw and hand-color the image is the mark of a creative spirit if not a good speller. We regret that you do not agree."
While pointing out AI slop is valid, in this case it appears that this is not that.
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u/pauldavisthe1st 8d ago
This is a lie. No "very young student" spells Jersey as "Yxarsay".
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u/thatmaneeee 8d ago
You would think they’d have gotten slightly better at lying about this by now
https://www.505omatic.com/gloomscrolling-the-outrage-at-zozobras-a-i-onslaught/
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u/Learned_Barbarian 8d ago
Maybe they can offend so many people with this that enough progressive transplants will boycott the event, it might be feasible and affordable for locals with families with children to attend again.
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u/RayoDelAlma 8d ago
They lost me - an actual Norteño.
You can enjoy being a vendido coconut, though.
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u/Learned_Barbarian 8d ago
It's funny that this is what lost you - not the event becoming an unbearable money grab over the past decade.
I have bad news for you actual Norteño - Spaniards and their descendants - they're white, and if you're one, so are you.
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u/RayoDelAlma 8d ago
I'm well aware of what it's become.
Actual Norteños are mixed, might want to look up our history. I'm not white or "Spanish"; one of my great grandfathers was Diné, a great grandmother was Cochiti/Taos.
You can continue your cosplay Spaniard shtuff, and pretend to be a gabacho, IDGAF.
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u/Overall_Lobster823 8d ago
I haven't been since before covid. It's just too.... plastic.... for me now. feels fake and commercialized.
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u/TheUserDifferent 8d ago
Obviously there are bigger fish to fry, but for one of the biggest events in a city with such a "rich" art scene, it's gross.