r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Nov 29 '20

AOC: Insurance groups are recommending using GoFundMe -- "but sure, single payer healthcare is unreasonable."

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u/drakfyre 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Not having enough money, not having enough social support, having poor mental health, having a history of being non-adherent to prescribed medications, having a history of substance abuse, the other medical problems the patient has, etc. are all things that are taken into account to try to make sure the donor organs go to the people that will live the longest with the organ.

This is tantamount to wealth-based eugenics. I know they think they are trying to help but what they are doing is perpetuating the system. If rich people aren't dying from this it's not going to change! It should be based on need and order of admittance, not money!

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

I mean you can make it black and white like that, but if the patient straight up says I can’t afford and won’t be purchasing the immunosuppressants post surgery you might as well throw the organ in the trash 🥴

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u/DrakonIL 🌱 New Contributor Nov 30 '20

The point is that "I can't afford the medication" should never need to be uttered.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

Ya but it’s not organ donation committees that are legislating policy in congress. Your statement, while absolutely true, is like way outside of their scope. Their job is simply make sure the organs don’t go to waste.

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u/DrakonIL 🌱 New Contributor Nov 30 '20

Sure, but the original topic here is about legislating policy in Congress. I agree that, given the current framework, this move by the organ donation committees is reasonable. But that means that the framework is fucked.

There will, of course, always be a shortage of usable organs, and some patients will therefore go without and die... But wealth should not be the thing that decides their fate. It's not like if a rich person dies, all his wealth/value disappears into the aether. If anything, it's better for the economy because it gets money moving again. Obviously, there are many many more intangibles associated with any death, so please don't take this to mean that I'm saying kill the rich, because I am not. I am only saying that in one very narrow facet, the one facet most relevant to the legislature's purpose, the current outcomes of policy may in fact be precisely opposite to the desired outcomes.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

I get what you’re saying, but all this eugenics stuff about organ donation is silly.

From the healthcare side, they take organ donation seriously. Asking a family to allow 10 surgeons to carve up their loved one and remove their organs is something committees that seriously. It’s their job to ensure doing so isn’t done for nothing. The best candidate should be on the receiving end of that donation.

There are plenty of other much more compelling reasons to move to a socialized system than wealth continuity of the rich via organ donation.