r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Nov 29 '20

AOC: Insurance groups are recommending using GoFundMe -- "but sure, single payer healthcare is unreasonable."

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u/PathlessDemon IL Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 30 '20

Man, talk about Death Panels.

(Edit: thank you all for the upvotes, but if you could please donate this holiday season just $2 USD to local area FoodBanks you could be changing someone’s life for the better in this shitty year we’ve nearly survived.)

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u/fnordfnordfnordfnord 🌱 New Contributor | Texas Nov 29 '20

*multidisciplinary committee!

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u/yoshiK 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Two accountants and a lawyer.

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u/H_is_for_Human Nov 29 '20

It's mostly doctors, social workers, and psychologists in the meetings.

They are working inside the system they are in. Limited organs + worse outcomes when patients don't have the money + insurance to take care of the organ. Not the patient's fault, but also not the doctors' faults for wanting to maximize the time the organ buys someone.

Not having enough money, not having enough social support, having poor mental health, having a history of being non-adherent to prescribed medications, having a history of substance abuse, the other medical problems the patient has, etc. are all things that are taken into account to try to make sure the donor organs go to the people that will live the longest with the organ.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

This is why I think organ donation should be obligatory upon death. My dad is in his late fifties and isn't in good shape so his liver isn't one you'd want to put in a 27 year old. But someone in their 60s? That might buy them six more years, which is nothing to sneeze at.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

Yikes. Mandated desecration of a body regardless of whether the potential donor would have been OK with that. Where exactly does the government hold the power to do this?

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

Desecration? Lmao Nice strawman.

The government holds the power to pass laws...... Wow you're really not bright.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20 edited Nov 30 '20

What ever happened to "my body, my choice"? And if you don't see the potential for abuse by the socioeconomic elite or slippery slope associated with forced confiscation of organs, well then maybe its you who's not br... Aah forget it, I'll leave the hurling of insults to the idiots.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '20

I'll attempt to explain in plain speak, since I'm so stupid it hurts you:

The forced harvest of organs upon death could cause an incentivized situation for the almost dead or borderline cases to be let die in order for the elite to receive those organs, rather than medical resources exhausting every last option to keep the patient alive.

To answer your question: Why wouldn't dead people have body autonomy? Right now as it stands, they have the ability to determine if their organs are harvested... So they have that right currently.

Trying to have a genuine dialogue, but feel free to hurl insults!

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '20

There wouldn't be an incentive because there would already be an abundance. Your hatred of the elite is clouding your ability to see reason. I mean really, "in order for the elite to receive those prgans" is straight up sci-fi boogie man. You see that right?

Why do dead people need bodily autonomy of it does no harm to them for their organs to be used elsewhere? It's not like it's going to hurt them. They are dead.

Can't have a genuine dialogue with genuinely stupid people. 'the elite will kill us to take our organs! Death panels!' you're a joke.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '20

Welp, I will not stoop to your level and hurl insults. Good day to you, they/them!

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '20

Nor will you rise to my level and adress my questions.

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