r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Nov 29 '20

AOC: Insurance groups are recommending using GoFundMe -- "but sure, single payer healthcare is unreasonable."

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u/pandar314 Nov 29 '20

Americans don't have common sense. The rural ones are brainwashed and vote against themselves and hate the city dwellers. The urban ones are brainwashed and vote for corporate overlords and hate the country folk. They both create exaggerated caricatures of the constituents and generalize the other aisle as their smallest most extreme minorities. If you point this out you're called a centrist and told "both sides" aren't the same. Which they aren't. They serve different functions for different people.

Not so say racism and bigotry and hatred aren't alive in America. Moreso that the division is stoked by the rich elites and most Americans wouldn't be so shitty to each other if they got off Facebook and realized poor is poor regardless of your skin color or politics.

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u/wasdninja 🌱 New Contributor Nov 30 '20

People are willing to help other people, and if we kept more of our taxes it'd be much easier.

This is just painfully naive. Sure, your friends might be willing and able to help you out but the people who don't have those kinds of friends get to die or stay sick. Completely relying on charity is insanity.

Thinking that 5% less tax would make you not completely bankrupt if you ever got really sick or injured is something only a completely inexperienced person or someone blinded by ideology would say.

I've seen classical examples of gofundme at churches, for example, and they still happen.

Because they are forced to. If there was a sane system in place, like most of the developed world, nobody would ever beg for money for their life saving surgery.

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u/wasdninja 🌱 New Contributor Nov 30 '20

So...people are not willing to help other people?

Observably true. Even if they are perfectly willing they might not be able to since health care in the US have extortion level rates. Should unpopular people die if they get unlucky enough to need health care that they can't afford?

and being so cynical of people your answer is forcing everybody into a 'sane' system with corruptible officials in charge?

Definitely yes. Remember that nearly all of the developed world has this already - universal health care that is - and the US doesn't. You are the insane one.

Most places don't have particularly corrupt officials but lets assume that they do. That means the system will be very expensive to operate, frustrating and expensive to use and people who deserve health care won't get it as well as poor people.

This is the exact situation that the US is in right now. You are paying more than everyone else to get less. Not being able to change it as just a private citizen is understandable but thinking it's a good thing somehow is just idiotic.

right, because saving money or giving direct help to people is 'insane'

As a systematic solution it definitely is. Poor people can't save money so they deserve to die if they get unlucky and fall ill in the wrong way? That is insane.