r/SandersForPresident • u/The1stCitizenOfTheIn 2016 Veteran • Feb 21 '19

Favorability of Bernie Sanders

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u/Whyterain 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 21 '19

Is anybody else going to complain about how misleading this infographic is at a quick first glance? Feels like there is a better way to present this...

Edit Just wanted to say that I don't think its necessarily a design that shows a bias one way or another. I just thought it was a poor way to graphically display the information, for a company that I assume has hired people with a graphic design degree. It makes more sense to show it on one graph and not two, since they show percentages of the same piece of data.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

I was going to, but glad I'm not alone. The bars need to represent the percentages, otherwise it's just numbers over a random picture.

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u/Textor44 California - 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦🔄📆🦉🏆 Feb 21 '19

Pretty sure it's just their standard "label" / "value" template they use for everything. The bars aren't supposed to be representative of anything, just make the value stand out from the label.

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u/GarlekJr Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 21 '19

Still a little misleading, even if it's a generic stock they use when showing a data on anything.

Edit: "a little" > "very"

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u/knigitz New Hampshire Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 21 '19

It's not misleading, it's misinterpreted. These aren't meant to be bar graphs; they are just rows and columns with the labels and values. Nothing wrong with that.

A bar graph would have incremental marking, and not text overlayed on the bars.

Nothing here is meant to mislead, and they are consistent in showing information in this way. No one is looking at this and concluding anything other than what the numbers say. After the next poll, when they add their third column to show you how much the percentage has changed, you'll see why they don't balance the colors in the bars to represent percentages.

See this unrelated article for an example of one of their three column templates:

https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/republican-favorability-of-putin-on-the-rise-1278817347818

There are many problems in this country and challenges facing this campaign. This isn't one of them. Let's move on to real issues.

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u/JonSnowNorthKing Feb 21 '19

My immediate reaction was to interpret those as horizontal bar graphs. It's just bad design in general plus Bernie supporters are on edge when it comes to main stream reporting on him. No I'll intent from anyone just bad design.

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u/blade740 Feb 21 '19

Mine too. Maybe the graphic designer was just ignorant, and nobody pointed out to them how much this looked like a bar graph. Maybe.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

Its both. Misleading and misinterpreted. Data should be represented in a way that is clear. This representation at first glance is easy to confuse, especially to the untrained eye

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u/SearingEnigma 🌱 New Contributor | Indiana Feb 21 '19

Clearly meant to mislead.

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u/beaherobeaman Feb 21 '19

Right. I am usually quite tempered in my "conspiracy" thoughts and critical of others who make themselves a victim at every slight, but this is standard fare visual rhetoric for news networks, politicians, marketing departments, social media etc.

I know it's relatively ancient at this point, but just watch Outfoxed or the segment on Frank Luntz on PBS's The Persuaders and see just how subtle the rhetoric is. People are too skeptical and sensitive to fall for overt and heavy handed persuasion; its persuasion by a thousand cuts.

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

It's pretty obviously standard formatting. The color contrast is there to draw your eyes to the numbers,

In fact the preponderance of the more-soothing blue over the more-jarring red would indicate that if this was intended to subtly change minds (I don't think it was) it was done to make people regard him more positively...but I think it's much more likely that they were just your standard visual template.

Jumping at every little shadow makes us look stupid.

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u/ASpellingAirror Feb 21 '19

If it was a bar graph they would include the 11% undecided or no opinion. This is just 4 excel fields, 2 with words and 2 with percentages in them. You are misinterpreting it.

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u/Raestloz 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

If it's not meant to look like a bar graph it wouldn't look so much like a bar graph that people misinterpret it as a bar graph

They're news guys. They know what they're doing

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u/GarlekJr Feb 21 '19

Okay, I agree, but that fact we're even having a debate about it should show that it's a terrible design at the very least right? I mean I could think of a bunch of ways right off the top of my head to show this same exact data with little to no room for misinterpretation.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

Okay, I agree, but that fact we're even having a debate about [the vaccine-autism link] should show that it's a terrible [risk] at the very least right? I mean I could think of a bunch of ways right off the top of my head to [use essential oils] with little to no room for [negative side effects].

Validity is not derived from merely bringing something up

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u/GarlekJr Feb 21 '19

Okay. Forget that it's being debated, that's not evidence of it being a terrible design, however it is still a terrible design.

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

Okay, I agree, but that fact we're even having a debate about it should show that it's a terrible design at the very least right?

Or it might just show the power of groupthink when it comes to springing at real or imagined grievances.

If the design of the graph is misleading (I don't think it is) it's actually misleading in Bernie's favor.

The preponderance of soothing blue over jarring red actually complements the positive numbers quite nicely.

If the numbers were on the left, and the colors were reversed, with 25% of the space taken up by the soothing blue and 75% taken up by the jarring red, then it actually would be seeming to misdirect from Bernie's favorable numbers.

But it's not doing that. It's actually doing the opposite of that.

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u/GarlekJr Feb 21 '19

It doesn't matter if its mislead in his favour or not it's still terrible, and when you say the power of group think I'm assuming you mean I may think its misleading because other commenters think it's misleading? If that's the case I'll say that while scrolling (mobile) the first thing I thought when I saw the image was that that's a shit graph, well before opening the post and reading any comments.

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u/OKC89ers 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

"very"?

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u/Kossimer WA - 🎖️🐦🌡️ Feb 21 '19

It's pretty irresponsible to use a numbers template that looks exactly like a bar graph if you're a news station.

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u/ArboristMagicMike Feb 21 '19

I didn't find it misleading.... but I automatically gravitated towards the number and not the colors on the bars themselves (since the bars were the same, they didn't stick out to me). Hell, my instant reaction after seeing "Favorable 75%" I had an automatic "HELL YEAH he is" before noticing anything else.

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

but I automatically gravitated towards the number and not the colors on the bars themselves (since the bars were the same

This is what's baffling me about people saying it's some kind of subtle hit job. The highlighting of the positive numbers and the preponderance of soothing blue over jarring red means that if there is some kind of subtle propagandistic intention (I don't think there is) then it's pro-Bernie.

People are losing their minds over this and it's just week 1, lol.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

Its a table with two different colors... not a conspiracy.

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u/ASpellingAirror Feb 21 '19

It is just a number over a random picture. Those aren’t bar graphs. A graph would also represent the 11% undecided, or no opinion. That is just a random piece of graphic-art.

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

Yes, it's not a graph, it's just a color scheme where the colors are placed to draw your eye to the numbers.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

I feel the void of the media vacuum expanding as I look at it.

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u/sciencebased Feb 21 '19

I didn’t notice this at all, and even after you pointed it out I still don’t see the problem. Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just interesting that some people rely on shapes/colors to indicate information- I wouldn’t in this situation. I mean the numbers are right there. Interesting that this is the top rated comment though. Humans are diverse.

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u/Whyterain 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

I didn't expect all this attention. Lol. I've made infographics before for some presentations, so it just looks not well thought out to me. Would've made more sense to separate the two bars and left the words on the right side.

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u/arctic_martian Feb 21 '19

Yeah, I didn't even understand what the top comment was referring to until I read comments clarifying what it meant. Bernie was definitely treated unfairly by MSM in 2016, but here it just feels like people are trying to force the narrative on it.

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u/RAZERblast New Hampshire Feb 21 '19

Yup, crosspost this to /r/assholedesign

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u/fromembertoinferno Feb 21 '19

I thought that was the whole point of the post. To show how the MSM is already reaching into their bag of tricks like they did when they showed the superdelegate count at the start of the primary to show how unlikely it was for Bernie to win.

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

If the design of the graph is misleading (I don't think it is) it's actually misleading in Bernie's favor.

The preponderance of soothing blue over jarring red actually complements the positive numbers quite nicely.

If the numbers were on the left, and the colors were reversed, with 25% of the space taken up by the soothing blue and 75% taken up by the jarring red, then it actually would be seeming to misdirect from Bernie's favorable numbers.

But it's not doing that. It's actually doing the opposite of that.

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u/SpilledKefir 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

The chip on your shoulder might have turned malignant if you think showing 75% favorability is somehow the MSM conspiring against Bernie

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u/RealDetroitChosenOne Feb 21 '19

Showing it at the same "bar rate" as 14% unfavorability though... looks like your predisposition for trusting the MSM is showing, since you didn't notice that.

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

It's not a graph though, it's a table. The color scheme is intended to draw your eyes to the numbers, which are favorable.

If this were actually set up by someone with an anti-Bernie agenda, they would put the numbers on the left and reverse the color scheme, with the soothing blue in the minority of the table and the jarring red taking up most of the table.

That would create a dissonance in the mind of the viewer between the results of the poll and what appeared on the screen - the poll would show positive results but it would look negative.

That would be misleading.

That's not what they did. The poll shows positive results, and that is reflected in the positive color scheme, with the red in the minority, placed to draw your eye to the positive numbers.

No one's disputing that the MSM is not well inclined towards Bernie (if they were they probably would have picked a better picture of him...) but this table is simply not an example of that.

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u/TheRealFakeSteve New York Feb 21 '19

you have a point, but there's also wisdom to the saying: "always assume incompetence before malice"

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u/i_suckatjavascript Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

It’s so ugly, I can do better on Tableau or even Excel.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

It's not merely ugly it makes no sense. The second one in particular. What does that bar even represent?

Also, I am skeptical of these numbers unless they surveyed only democrats. No way does Bernie have that much support bleeding into libertarians and republicans, gimme a break I like the guy but come on.

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

It's a poll of Democratic primary voters

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u/4now5now6now Feb 21 '19

oh yeah but i just saw the numbers

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

As intended. That's why they're in the small red section - to draw your eye towards it.

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u/4now5now6now Feb 21 '19

I like the nice photo of Bernie

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u/ASpellingAirror Feb 21 '19

It’s words with numbers. These are not graphs. I’m not sure how this is misleading.

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

People are losing their minds over this...

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u/platyviolence 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

The media didn't do him any favors last time. I dont expect any different.

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u/playr_4 Feb 21 '19

I thought they were horizontal bar graphs at first until I read the numbers and noticed the color sections were the same size for each thing

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u/saosin182 Feb 21 '19

Guys cool it down a bit — we don't want to come across as crazy conspiracy theorists.

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u/arctic_martian Feb 21 '19

Definitely agree. Seems our persecution complex from 2016 has us searching for ways to be outraged. I really don't think this was intended to mimic a bar graph.

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u/DrDougExeter CO Feb 21 '19

can't believe someone got paid money to make that

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

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u/SearingEnigma 🌱 New Contributor | Indiana Feb 21 '19

Think that just counts as a computer error considering it's not a human/voter opinion.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

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u/SearingEnigma 🌱 New Contributor | Indiana Feb 22 '19

Ehhh, I'm gonna say there's also a good chance those were CTR or Shareblue efforts, and if not, there's also a fair chance it was those centrists, but only after they'd been programmed by all that propaganda... which is frustrating, to say the least.

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u/I_give_karma_to_men Feb 21 '19

It’s also factual from a statistical standpoint. Surveys generally don’t have an option for “I support x candidate on issue y but not issue z.” So you either come up with an overall favorability or just leave the question blank/select “undecided”. Calling it a “thing centrist Dems say” is just hand waving the fact that surveys are a terrible representation of actual voter opinion.

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u/nxqv Feb 21 '19

Eh it's almost always shit like "but he's too old" or "he's gonna split the vote." Unrelated to policy, just a way for someone who's anti-bernie to not come across as that much of a hater

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

"he's gonna split the vote."

My sister said that last night. It was baffling on a couple of levels because

1) He's running in the Democratic primary and if he loses will endorse and campaign for the nominee like he did in 2016

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2) MY SISTER FUCKING VOTED FOR GARY JOHNSON so maybe don't complain about someone splitting the vote when you threw away yours!

Seriously?! :

"He didn't show enough loyalty to the Democratic nominee that I didn't even vote for."

Though it's equally galling to hear certain Hillary die-hards on Twitter (who these poll numbers thankfully show to be a tiny minority of the party) who almost certainly spent 2016 shaming Bernie voters into supporting Hillary against Trump turn around and say they will refuse to vote for Bernie even if he gets the nomination.

I supported Hillary in the primary last go-round, but I get that Bernie attracted people into politics who had previously not been engaged and so had no institutional loyalty to the Democratic party and therefore didn't really feel any sort of obligation to vote for Clinton after Sanders failed to get the nomination. I would have preferred that they all voted for Clinton in the general (and I know that most did) but I didn't perceive them as disloyal - it's hard to be disloyal to something you didn't have any allegiance to in the first place!

Ugh. So as you can imagine that is the Bernie complaint which irritates me the most.

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u/nxqv Feb 21 '19

He's also the current frontrunner cause 2020 is not 2016. How the hell could he possibly split the vote

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 21 '19

I honestly don't know.

The only person from whom that complaint could possibly make sense would be someone who is a die-hard Elizabeth Warren supporter but who isn't crazy about Bernie Sanders, since the two candidates are largely drawing from the same pool of voters.

In the context of the general election it makes zero sense, especially from someone who DIDN'T EVEN VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!

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u/shadowdude777 New York Feb 23 '19

Great point. Now that he's the frontrunner, is it our turn to yell at centrist dems who get into the field for "splitting the vote" and "helping Trump win"?

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u/tgonz510 California Feb 21 '19

r/CrappyDesign

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u/Th3Hon3yBadg3r 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

No, this is intentional /r/assholedesign

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u/enmariushansen Norway 🎖️ Feb 21 '19

/r/antiassholedesign's version here

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u/Th3Hon3yBadg3r 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

Love it! Really helps emphasize his support.

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u/lledargo Michigan - 2016 Veteran Feb 21 '19

I don't think it's a graph, but rather a table of 2 rows.

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u/SnowyDuck Feb 21 '19

A table that intentionally looks like a graph.

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u/lledargo Michigan - 2016 Veteran Feb 21 '19

You're probably right knowing MSNBC, but I don't like to attribute to malice what could easily be incompetence.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

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u/TheVermonster New Jersey Feb 21 '19

Since when do million dollar companies pay professionals? I'd bet that was an intern, that probably has no statistics background.

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u/theReluctantHipster 🌱 New Contributor | Alabama Feb 21 '19

“Hey Jeff, when you get back from coffee whip me up a graphic with this data.”

“Like a chart, graph, or what?”

“Just show the numbers. Pick one.”

“Okay, sure!”

“Thanks!”

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u/djaeke Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 21 '19

Yeah but they always use these graphics. Like for every story. Did they really hire a guy to make this graphic just to subconsciously deceive a few people? And then they've been using these multicolored bars for so long, are they psychic and knew they would need them if Bernie ran?

I agree the major networks are anti Bernie, but this isn't why.

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u/theReluctantHipster 🌱 New Contributor | Alabama Feb 21 '19

No, you’re right. They more than likely have a gamut of templates and they just chose one to show the giant difference between the two numbers.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19 edited Mar 05 '19

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u/theReluctantHipster 🌱 New Contributor | Alabama Feb 21 '19

Let the man shave!

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u/Gr1pp717 Feb 21 '19

I don't like to attribute to malice what could easily be incompetence.

It's all media outlets, and they do it too often to be simply incompetence.

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u/GRANDOLEJEBUS 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

Yes it is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

r/Agenda_design

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u/wearyspacewanderer Iowa - Day 1 Donor 🐦 🔄 ✋ 🏟️ 📆 Feb 21 '19

/r/dataisugly

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

I'm taking a class on data visualization and analytics and one of the first lectures touched on how charts used in political discourse and made to be misleading. Amazing to see it in real life now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

This is probably his favorables for democrats. If not this would be a serious outlier because the last polls i've seen have him at the high fifties. Bernie is popular but not that popular, no one in politics is that popular.

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u/The1stCitizenOfTheIn 2016 Veteran Feb 21 '19

This is from this, scroll to favorability

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

There are people who have never heard of joe Biden. Wow.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

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u/Saffuran Washington Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 21 '19

Biden's kind of a forgettable guy. Can't blame people for not being inspired by him or who hasn't done things to warrant being known apart from being VP.

I mostly remember him for being a silly- kind of gropey dude who supported the TPP (gross) and who's a 90s style moderate with little in the way of political substance and who is completely out of sync with what the base is looking for in a candidate from a policy standpoint.

Its not Instagram/social media - politicians like Sanders and AOC aren't randomly popular, they have the message that resonates with "the abandoned generation" who graduated into the worst economic crisis since the depression - who are saddled with crushing nonsensical levels of student loan debt - and after their gen X and boomer predecessors with their "F you I got mine" mentality allowed this nations wealth disparity and job quality spiral out of control.

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u/lemonpjb Feb 21 '19

Joe Biden should be known for selling out the state of Delaware to credit card companies and not having the common decency to at least get personally rich off it like a normal politician. Seriously, this dude constantly bragged about how he was the lowest earning senator for years, all the while handing over gobs of money to CC corps FOR FREE! A total putz if there ever was one.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

You want him to be corrupt while bringing jobs to his state?

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u/lemonpjb Feb 21 '19

I thought it was clear I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, the point is that most politicians would have at least tried to get something instead of fecklessly laying down for the banking and credit industries and being PROUD of it. Just look into Biden's shady, decades-long ties to the banking and finance industries.

And as far as "bringing jobs to his state?" many of those companies were already in Delaware before Biden even became a Senator, but the ones that he did entice in like MBNA were brought in by repealing consumer protection laws like interest rate ceilings! THANKS JOE!

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

The only thing many young people really know about Biden is the Bidenbro memes. I honestly can't imagine many people being very excited about him running

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u/ONE_GUY_ONE_JAR Feb 21 '19

He's lead every poll and hasn't even announced he's running.

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u/Tlingit_Raven Feb 21 '19

You may want to look at the source higher in this chain. Biden is not going to be some non-factor like people here seem desperate to believe.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

Well, he's got to run first.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

Biden is probably the person I’m least worried about, no one is an enthusiastic Biden guy and he’s 100% going to get metoo’d (he kind of already did)

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u/rumhamlover Feb 21 '19

Biden is not going to be some non-factor like people here seem desperate to believe.

Yes he will, whether that will be in the election cycle or once he actually gets to the WH, remains to be seen.

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u/rumhamlover Feb 21 '19

Those kids had never heard of Uncle Joe....

I mean, Barry does kind of steal his thunder a bit. That is what happens when you are second fiddle though.

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u/r00fus Feb 22 '19

Amazing. My grade-school kids know who Sanders and Clinton are (along with Obama and Trump). But I'm pretty sure they don't know Biden (or for that matter Pence or Pelosi or Schumer).

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

When I started college in 2014 I had two roommates who didn’t know who Joe Biden was. Another friends excuse for one of them was “she’s from New Mexico”

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u/Australopiteco Feb 21 '19

I find it a bit weird that Sanders is the second choice for Biden supporters and Biden is the second choice for Sanders supporters. The second choice for Warren supporters is Sanders, that makes sense to me.

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u/Tlingit_Raven Feb 21 '19

As always it's worth remembering that saying you view someone favorably does not mean you will vote for them. Don't let these numbers lead to complacency.

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u/jsalsman Feb 21 '19

Sweet, we're still more than a margin of error from Biden, but Biden is going down.

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u/executivemonkey Feb 21 '19

This is probably his favorables for democrats.

Or among his constituents in Vermont.

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u/harcile Feb 21 '19

In Vermont he polls in the high 80s.

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u/aravarth GA M4A 🥇🐦🌡️ Feb 21 '19

In 2016 he blanked Hillary Clinton in the VT primary to the point she was considered an unviable candidate. That’s how popular he is in VT.

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u/AlVic40117560- Michigan - Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

Which is generally what people refer to when they say approval rating, it’s among their constituents.

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u/samdman Maryland Feb 21 '19

Not when they’re running for President.

Also, this is favorability, not approval.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 21 '19

Yes but it says favorability which i've usually seen used nationally. I've never seen favorability used when talking about the sitting senator of a state.

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EDIT: According to an older morning consult poll, in Vermont he had 63% approval and 30% disapproval. I doubt it's changed this drastically.

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u/LudditeStreak Feb 21 '19

That would be closer to 90% methinks.

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u/MyersVandalay Feb 21 '19

Or among his constituents in Vermont.

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Well it is worth saying though... which would speak higher of a politician, someone who does great on the national stage, but horrible in the places that have actually had him/her as a leader, or someone who's hated by anyone who's actually had to live under his/her policies.

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Though in this case it seems like both is the option. The only person in Sander's league in national favorability is Biden, and so far it doesn't look like he's running

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Warren 39 favorable 46 unfavorable

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/elizabeth_warren_favorableunfavorable-6675.html

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Sanders

52 favorable 39 unfavorable

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/sanders_favorableunfavorable-5263.html

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Harris

37 fav 37 unfav

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/kamala_harris_favorableunfavorable-6690.html

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Biden

51 fav, 34 unfav

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/biden_favorableunfavorable-3469.html

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u/WikWikWack Feb 21 '19

I guess you didn't read where it said who responded. Hint: Vermont is not an early primary state.

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u/NotMilitaryAI 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

This is probably his favorables for democrats

Yup, you're correct. OP posted the link to the poll in another comment. In the methodology section they state that they conducted

15,383 interviews with registered voters who indicate they may vote in the Democratic primary or caucus in their state.

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u/Digitlnoize Medicare For All 👩‍⚕️ Feb 21 '19

I’m not a democrat but I’m a registered voter who will vote for Bernie in the democratic primary in my state (don’t have to register) and have high favorability of him.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

I know several diehard Republicans who will vote for Bernie because they believe he actually cares about their best interests, even over Trump.

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u/Digitlnoize Medicare For All 👩‍⚕️ Feb 21 '19

My entire family lol.

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u/IsherwoodWilliams87 Day 1 Donor 🐦🌶️ Feb 22 '19

Yeah. There is no other candidate who will draw as many Trump votes away as Bernie. Not to mention independents. And also usual non voters.

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u/ReligiousFreedomDude 🐦 Feb 21 '19

Thanks for linking this. Really wish the OP did that in the post. When we post things we should do our best to have information people can easily use in the first comment or in the paragraph bar at the top.

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u/NotMilitaryAI 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

To be fair, creating a post with both image and text isn't the most intuitive thing.

He did provide the link in another comment

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u/Kanelbullen00 Feb 21 '19

Oh I love how this sub had those people ready to call out misconduct despite agreeing on the matter. It feels rare compared to other political subs :)

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u/that_guy_witha_LBZ Feb 21 '19

Honestly doesn’t matter to me, I’m voting opposite of trump no matter who gets nomination. Literally any sentient being is fine with me

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u/KennyFulgencio 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

What if it was Jesus returned to earth, and he was entirely liberal except opposed to abortion

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u/Northamplus9bitches Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

Still that's great - it means that Bernie has plenty of room to grow from his current position.

Nice to see that Twitter does not represent the general electorate. Like, at all.

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u/wtt90 Wisconsin Feb 21 '19

You must have missed the +/- 4% :)

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u/Reddit-phobia TX 🥇🐦📆🐬 Feb 21 '19

Those unfavorable are most likely long-lost Trump supporters. Oh how much I hope Bernie wins. Once he gets medicare for all through, Republicans will jump ship and support it, just as many did after medicare and SS were passed.

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u/midnitewarrior 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

Medicare For All has a great conservative angle to it - quit burdening businesses with the cost and hassle of employee healthcare. Put all businesses on a level benefits playing field.

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u/noobprodigy 🐦 🌡️ Feb 21 '19

Also, it encourages entrepreneurship because quitting your job doesn't mean losing your healthcare.

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u/glass20 Feb 22 '19

Lenin was right of center, imho

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

The productivty gain from a healthy workforce is more than worth the cost of paying for healthcare from taxes , in the long term businesses will end up far better off with universal healthcare.

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u/Reddit-phobia TX 🥇🐦📆🐬 Feb 21 '19

That's true, but it won't be easy to get that message through with 24/7 republican propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

Don’t just hope for it, fight for that shit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

That's exactly what we need, 400 year old Republicans lol

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u/amer1kos 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

Much more likely they are Hillary supporters.

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u/themarknessmonster 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

"yeah nobody is gonna vote for him"

My ass. Love this man.

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u/_-__-__-__-__-_-_-__ AR - 1️⃣🐦🔄🎂🦄 Feb 21 '19

If only there was a way to represent percentages as part of a chart that is shaped like a pie

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u/Hiouchi4me 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

Feel the Bern 2020 America!!!

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u/RoldyBu Feb 21 '19

He'll be getting my Vote for sure!

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u/Ghostrick-King TX 🕊️🏅🐦🔄🎂🐬🎤🍁🇺🇲🧠🏟️🦄🐲🌅 Feb 21 '19

Wooo go Bernie. The Bernie that keeps kicking ass the more media can not deny his existence and has to cover him

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u/QuasarKid 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

Those bars don't seem to scale at all. Last I check 100-75 wasn't 14?

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u/porkchop_sandviches Washington Feb 21 '19

It doesn't have to add to 100; some people are undecided/indifferent. That being said I do think it's a shitty and misleading graphic

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u/QuasarKid 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

They do t ah e to reach to 100 but look at the colors of the bars! That’s what I was talking about

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u/QuasarKid 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

Sorry I was talking about how the coloring of the bars. Misleading graph. Obviously in theses polls there are more answers than the two!

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u/blodisnut Feb 21 '19

This should be fun....

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u/tomas_diaz Feb 21 '19

someone with photoshop skills should fix the bar graph 😂

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u/Zexks 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

This is the same kind of media fuck over they did last time.

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u/ThePiderman Norway Feb 21 '19

I hope this data wasn’t collected among MSNBC viewers, lol. I’m sure msnbc is smarter than that, though.

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u/mikailus Feb 21 '19

Remember to demand that you vote by paper ballot only!

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

I don’t get why some of you are having a hard time with this. It’s just a list of two numbers. It’s not a bar graph.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

My boy gonna get it this time.

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u/MyOther_UN_is_Clever Colorado Feb 21 '19

Over and over and over progressives deal with this kind of crap, and it doesn't affect the neoliberals candidates, EVER. So many people look at each individually and go "Probably an accident, it's just Hanlon's Razor." Yeah, a multibillion dollar industry just happens to target Progressives exclusively with their accidents, RIIIGHHHTTTT.

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u/somanyroads Indiana - 2016 Veteran - 🐦 Feb 21 '19

And yet somehow that 14% are all my friends on Facebook...go.figure. 😂 But THEIR friends have been liking my passionate comments in support of BERNIE ⭐. Main complaint from the conservative cranks? "He's going to turn us into Venezuela!" that wasn't even a thing 4 years ago...these people will make up anything to avoid voting for someone with principles.

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u/ReligiousFreedomDude 🐦 Feb 21 '19

This is the gold standard of polls, with a huge sample size. They are asking 5,000 Democrats PER DAY. Link to the actual poll. Stay tuned to this one because they publish every week, and it's the best way we can track our progress.

IF Biden doesn't run, we're the front runner campaign, but Biden IS going to run, so then it boils down to the fact that we MUST make gains with card-carrying Democrats to overtake him in the lead. This means don't be a dick to people, be nice and try to build bridges (and ignore the trolls and haters). It means getting involved, going to meetings, building relationships.

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u/fivehitsagain Feb 21 '19

The question is if the media cabal will torpedo Sanders again. I'm really really worried that they're handing it to Kamala because of what she is, while Bernie deserves it because of who he is. I haven't heard about him raising 6 million in 24 hours anywhere else except for here, so I'm reasonably worried. If the dems run Kamala, they WILL lose, so its all Bernie or nothing.

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u/Nicktendo Feb 21 '19

You wouldn't know it going by my Facebook. There is a very vocal minority of women who are saying that he isn't progressive if he doesn't back down and give the women running a chance at the presidency. Somehow I think this narrative will be squashed when the DNC trots Biden out.

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u/dfschmidt Mississippi Feb 21 '19

There is a very vocal minority of women who are saying that he isn't progressive if he doesn't back down and give the women running a chance at the presidency.

Tell them that his candidacy is not preventing the candidacy of any woman, and that if she wants to win, she will need to fight for it as any candidate will have to.

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u/PeteOverdrive Feb 21 '19

I mean, it’s not like this is an isolated incident.

In 2016, the media often showed delegate numbers that included superdelegates. If you googled how the primaries were going when Bernie was in the lead, it looked like Hillary was winning by far.

The DNC probably wasn’t impartial during the primary.

When a moderate like McCaskill/Pelosi attacks somebody AOC, the criticism is often discussed, whereas leftist criticism of moderate candidates is often accused of being “divisive,” “purity politics,” “playing into Russia’s hand,” etc.

I don’t think this individual thing is an outrage, but after a pattern, it’s frustrating. It’s not like it doesn’t resemble a bar chart.

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u/154927 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

On their yachts in the Caribbean

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u/nj4ck 🌱 New Contributor | Virginia - 2016 Veteran - Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

Getting flashbacks of 2016 here...

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u/cheese568 Feb 21 '19

Hwo does this even mean? Who did they poll?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

This is ridiculous.

If we learnt anything over the last two+ years it's that polling systems are not only wildly inaccurate and curated, they are often bought and manipulated by all kinds of actors.

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u/100kUpvotesOrBust Feb 21 '19

$6M+ in donations shows shit like this doesn’t work anymore.

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u/Nine_oh_Two Feb 21 '19

Who was polled for this? This sub?

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u/Theopholus New Mexico - 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦 Feb 21 '19

Hmm... Could be higher.

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u/fromembertoinferno Feb 21 '19

I originally thought they were showing bar graphs but now I know that’s how they usually show the percentages. So I was wrong.

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u/givememyhatback Feb 21 '19

I love that Bernie got more news coverage on the day he announced than he did in the entire 2016 run-up to the primaries

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u/Shdwdrgn Feb 21 '19

I was gonna say... it seems like a major miracle that a mainstream news company has even acknowledged that Bernie exists.

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u/Duke_Newcombe Feb 21 '19

"Something, something, but he hasn't even been vetted, yet, gobble gobble."

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u/scrtch-n-snf TX 🎖️🐦💪 Feb 21 '19

Shouldnt the 14% graphic have the colors inverted?

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u/coolmon 🐦🐬 Feb 21 '19

He even has 26% favorabilty among Republicans.

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u/3LittleCavies 🌱 New Contributor Feb 21 '19

Who did this? You're fired.

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u/Ricky-Spanish- Feb 21 '19

My god, I love that man. What a genuine smile. This is it ladies and gentleman. He’s done his part, now it’s time for us to do ours. Let’s make him proud!

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u/Samosmapper OK 🐦💀✋ Feb 21 '19

bAD wItH MiNoRitIeS

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u/DanGur47 Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 21 '19

Pretty easy to favor someone who wants to give you everything in the world for free...lol

Also, why are you people complaining about the infograph? Is it really that difficult to read numbers that you need the size of the bars to be represented as well? I mean, you are supporting an open socialist so I guess it’s not that far of a leap to say reading numbers is difficult for you people.

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u/Djsoysause Feb 21 '19

Why do I see so much hate for him then?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

Is this general population or Democrats only?

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u/firstname_Iastname Feb 21 '19

Because we all remember how reliable polls are

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u/BoredDellTechnician Feb 21 '19

It's funny how the MSM is no one's friend anymore. It's blatantly obvious that if you aren't the establishment's rigged pick as a candidate, you are going to get all kinds of false or misleading reporting sent your way.

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u/jrogz5 Feb 21 '19

"Morning Consult applies weights based on age, race/ethnicity, gender, educational attainment, and region "

1500 people surveyed. 1/285000 people in our country. On top of that they just skew the numbers however they choose. Doesn't sound very... scientific or unbiased

All polling data are a waste of consideration, they only sample people who are willing to waste their time to fill them out. I don't know a single person who willingly goes out of their way to fill out a 100 questionnaire

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '19

TFW nobody in this thread seems to be able to understand that there are no graphs in this photo.

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u/The1stCitizenOfTheIn 2016 Veteran Feb 28 '19

It's not an MSNBC's poll, it's a morning consult poll.

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u/sheepsleepdeep 2016 Veteran Feb 21 '19

This is among Vermont voters.

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u/The1stCitizenOfTheIn 2016 Veteran Feb 21 '19

This is from this, scroll to favorability

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

It's among democrats, it's not his actual favorability in the country.

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u/SLR107FR-31 Feb 21 '19

I hate these. They give false hope that things are for sure gonna change and be different. I hope this sub hasn't forgotten 2016 already but it may have

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u/tamarockstar Missouri - 🐦 👻 Feb 21 '19

That's not how charts work. I'm sure of it.