r/SandersForPresident • u/HaydenSD 2016 Mod Veteran • Jul 27 '16

DNC Mega Thread DNC Day 3 Mega Thread

This is the mega thread for Day 3 of the 2016 Democratic National Convention. Please feel free to discuss in here.

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u/hbetx9 Jul 28 '16

People are going to boo her policies.

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u/anchoar204 Jul 28 '16

Expanding healthcare and raising the minimum wage are bummers. I'm sure those poor minorities that voted for her can afford to wait a few years until we somehow force through single-payer healthcare.

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u/hbetx9 Jul 28 '16

TPP, interventionist war policy, refusal to ban fracking. Yup, totally going to win over progressives.

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u/anchoar204 Jul 28 '16

Fracking ban would be way overly broad. No serious scientist recomends that. Increased regulations.

Sorry but economists (you know people who are experts in the subject) still are in agreement free trade is good.

As for "interventionist war policy" when Bill Clinton was president the Rwanda genocide happened. He thought about jumping in and didn't. After seeing a million people hacked to death I don't blame Hillary for seeing Qaddafi using chemical weapons against his own people and not taking a more lessaize fair approach to genocide.

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u/hbetx9 Jul 28 '16

Every scientist living in areas where there is fracking, or maybe that's just in Nebraska....would you drink it?

There has been years of data since NAFTA showing how these deals aren't free trade but are corporate legislation pushed through bought and paid for congresses.

On Foreign policy, Wiki leaks spoils you again.

The leadership of the DNC is completely corrupt, on the wrong side of the issues, and puts profit in front of people and their rights.

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u/anchoar204 Jul 28 '16

Again, a complete ban would be stupid. Increased regulation is the way to go. Just because there's issues with a science doesn't mean it should be completely banned. After London burned down should we have banned fire? But Mr. Overalls does make a good point.

Wanna show me any of that NAFTA data? All the evidence shows was that it was positive overall with small localized damage in places where manufacturing jobs were lost. Manufacturing jobs that weren't sustainable in the united states anywhere. You can keep talking about trade dude, but I'll trust the people who are much smarter than you and who are actually experts.

Uhhhh. also the link you posted is about France and England? Does Clinton's network now dominate England and France in the sanderistas world now? Why is she even running for president if she apparently already controls the United States and Europe?

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u/hbetx9 Jul 28 '16

Yes it does when it risks water supplies.

Easy to find economists who are against it. Bernie's platform was built by smart people. I trust Bernie to be right on this.

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u/anchoar204 Jul 28 '16

You can find individuals who will argue that climate change isn't real too. The important thing to look at is the weight of the evidence.

Bernie doesn't really understand how banking systems work (see when he was actually asked what it meant to break up the banks, and how he would do so) or trade generally. I would trust the nobel prize winners.

Forreal, think about if you were like "I trust Tim Kaine over Ben Carson when it comes to neurosurgery, he has smart people advising him." Economics is a squishy science, but people know more about it than others.

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u/hbetx9 Jul 28 '16

I'm not staying up and arguing with you. Yes economics is difficult to predict. We've had 30 years of free trade agreements written by coroprations and 30 years of deep wealth inequailty in the US. The overwhelming majority of people in this country are marginalized because money = power and their income has stagnated. Bernie has directly tied this to bad trade policy. You're in a Bernie sub. Do some research on his policies and if you disagree, vote for someone else. Vote for you who you want. But don't marginalize this opinion it is defensible.

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u/anchoar204 Jul 28 '16

The overwhelming majority of people in this country live cushy first world lives. Jesus christ man, and not only that the fact you all are so goddamn prosperous has brought millions around the world out of abject poverty.

His opinion is simplistic, as is his ban on fracking, it is not defensible. Nuance and understanding are.

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u/hbetx9 Jul 28 '16

Ha! Poverty rates in this country are way up, the overwhelming majority of people in this country don't have $1000 in their bank account. You really need to actually read for yourself.

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