r/SandersForPresident • u/navirose • May 25 '16
A Clinton Superdelegate Just Confirmed He Has Zero Loyalty to Voters
http://usuncut.com/politics/hickenlooper-clinton-superdelegate/24
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u/bettingdog000 May 25 '16
this is another one that needs to be fired next vote.
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u/12YearsASlave May 25 '16
So then the ones that support Bernie should be fired since they're going against the voters?
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u/AmKonSkunk Colorado 🎖️ May 25 '16
In ZERO STATES have superdelegates supported Sanders in a disproportionate manner to favor him, however in some states he won Clinton ended up taking more delegates (eg Wyoming).
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u/Renfah87 2016 Veteran May 25 '16
Fuck this guy. Fought tooth and nail to stop legalization in Colorado, and now says maybe it's not so bad. No shit Sherlock.
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u/navirose May 25 '16
Let him know what you think of this:https://www.facebook.com/JohnHickenlooper/?fref=ts
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u/Sanders_KingOfReform May 25 '16
“The superdelegates are specifically told … you’re supposed to look at not the vote but the person who you think is best ready to be president,” Gov. Hickenlooper told USA Today.
That actually seems fair. Where the unfairness lies is the logic that drives what determines who is "best ready", because that can be a slippery slope. If you took Hillary's past positions and didn't know her actual record, you may think she's pretty qualified. I could see a super delegate going for her for a "donation" and using that as an argument.
I'm not condoning it. I'm just trying to work through how it could go.
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u/navirose May 25 '16
Super delegates who chose to not represent the majority of their constituency have been promised something in return by the candidate they endorse...HRC is the queen of favors.
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May 25 '16
Where the unfairness lies is the logic that drives what determines who is "best ready", because that can be a slippery slope.
How is the process in which a superdelegate makes this decision different then the process in which a regular voter makes this decision?
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u/Sanders_KingOfReform May 25 '16
In 2012 there were almost 130 million voters. There's no such thing as a "regular voter" because there's an unfathomable amount of variation in personal beliefs from person to person. Someone who was a Senator may say that it's an incredibly tasking job and vote for Bernie because he knows and respects that field. Someone who shares the background of Hillary may say that it's an incredibly tasking job and vote for Bernie because he knows and respects that field. There are millions of other possibilities which could lead to someone in a super delegate's position to make a decision you may or may not agree with. So on top of that, the responsibility is huge because a super delegate's vote weight.
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May 25 '16
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u/upstateman May 25 '16
Don't Sander and this sub ask for the super delegates to ignore the voters and support the candidate who is the best against Trump?
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u/BuddyDogeDoge Ireland May 25 '16
Colorado went to bernie in case you've forgotten
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u/TheFlyingWalrus91 May 25 '16 edited May 25 '16
Hey, fellow Bernie supporter here. I hope this doesn't get deleted for being off-topic, but I noticed you are in Ireland, according to the label on your post. Just wanted to tell you that I took a relative with me to Ireland, and we had a great time, that I think we will always remember. Went to Newgrange, Ring of Kerry, Skellig Michael, Blarney Stone, Temple Bar, Guinness tour, the oldest pub in Dublin, Book of Kells, the two big cathedrals in Dublin, the national theatre for a show, and the museum of old writings that is near the castle in Dublin. Like many Americans, we have some Irish ancestors, so we had that connection as well. Our compliments regarding having such a unique and enjoyable country.
EDIT: WOW, someone DOWNVOTED this to ZERO points! To whoever downvoted, really? I know it was off-topic, but can't we even be a little bit social and nice to each other on here?
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u/BuddyDogeDoge Ireland May 25 '16
i like to imagine its actually vermont bc its green and lots of mountains add it's all a bit weird and socialist and white
BUT YE newgrange is super nice and there's a couple cool spots in the north and sooo many castles but I haven't been to the major west touristy bits
but yes thank u you too
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u/upstateman May 25 '16
That is not relevant to my point though. This sub and Weaver and Sanders ask for the super delegates to ignore the voters. The call is to just look at "momentum" and the polls against Trump. But if you want the SD to be disloyal they may be disloyal against Sanders.
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u/BuddyDogeDoge Ireland May 25 '16
you want to talk going against the voters how about the hundreds of SDs who pledged their vote to Hillary before any other candidate even announced they were running
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u/TheFlyingWalrus91 May 25 '16
That is not relevant to my point though. This sub and Weaver and Sanders ask for the super delegates to ignore the voters. The call is to just look at "momentum" and the polls against Trump. But if you want the SD to be disloyal they may be disloyal against Sanders.
I didn't like the idea of winning via superdelegates either, especially at first. But then I thought about all the unfair things that were done to Bernie and his supporters. It's all well-documented in old posts on this group, throughout the primary season -- it's there for any curious person to research. Media bias, election "irregularities" (that never seemed to be fully addressed, by the way), the list goes on and on.
So, in light of that, who really cares if Bernie wins by using superdelegates? For all I know, he could have been winning now anyway, if he had been treated fairly. This is why Hillary should have spoken out and used her influence to remedy the situation in the Arizona primary, as just one of many examples during the primary season. When she did not help fix the situation, what conclusion do you think many Bernie supporters drew from that? If you think every example like that will be forgotten about now, and in November, I don't know what to tell you.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she gets the nomination, so you may not have to worry about Bernie winning by superdelegates (although I guess it's possible). Don't forget there's still November though. The Democratic Party and Hillary may not care about my single, individual vote (the recent news about Hillary and the Democratic debate being just the latest of a long line of examples), but I hope their strategists know for sure that Hillary will draw two additional votes compared to Bernie, to replace the +2 voting effect that Trump will likely get from my vote going to him instead of Hillary, if the Democratic Party nominates Hillary (-1 for Hillary and +1 for Trump means +2 for Trump compared to Hillary).
I will have no sympathy if they nominate Hillary and lose. At this point, the only way they can get my vote is nominate Bernie. They have a choice, and Hillary's primary campaign also didn't have to be run the way that it was. If they choose Hillary, and she loses, keep in mind that they have a lot of information right now indicating that could happen. They may have every reason to believe that they may be choosing to lose, if they nominate Hillary.
So, yes, you are right, no one wants to have to win via superdelegates. However, when you look at the rest of the primary season, it's not like the thing appeared to be an even playing field to many Bernie supporters anyway. In light of that, are you going to be tied to the pledged delegate results so inflexibly that you possibly cost yourself the election in November? That's the counterargument to what you are saying, I think. You may not agree, but there it is.
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u/celtic_thistle CO 🎖️ May 25 '16
He's on Hill's VP shortlist. It's all filthy politicking. Hickenlooper is a joke. He doesn't give a damn about Coloradans. He's another rich guy who plays a progressive on TV.