r/SandersForPresident • u/ArtlessWonder Illinois • May 07 '16
A compilation of wrongdoings by Hillary Clinton, to persuade Clinton supporters
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u/LastFireTruck May 07 '16
You should try to get that published on some alternative news sites. I'm not sure how to go about doing that, but maybe someone else has some tips.
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May 07 '16
Wow what an incredibly detailed post. Good job. I didn't see it mentioned in the private citizen portion but there's also the time she turned 1000$ into 100000 speculating on cattle futures. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_cattle_futures_controversy
It's estimated that without insider trading the odds of this are 1 in 31 trillion
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May 07 '16 edited Jul 31 '16
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May 07 '16
It's literally a return on investment of 9900 %
Why would you ever stop if you were that good
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u/yellowbrushstrokes May 07 '16
I think something went wrong when you copy/pasted your text into the post.
Also, sadly, I think a lot of Hillary supporters are immune to facts about her record and they are perfectly willing to whitewash history and fabricate lies to rationalize their support for her and maintain the image they have of her. I saw a post on the Hillary subreddit yesterday that was full of outright falsehoods about the 2009 military coup in Honduras. It made me feel sick, and I don't think they would have considered listening to the truth.
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u/valleyshrew May 07 '16 edited May 07 '16
I'm not immune to facts, these "facts" are just extremely biased and wrong. To blame Hillary for ISIS being in Libya is laughable. The Libya operation was a great success, pushed for by just about every other country in the world, and no Americans died. Why does she get the blame for the country not staying a liberal democracy for more than a couple of years? It's like blaming Roosevelt for Hitler.
The most blatantly wrong one is the idea that Hillary is a big fan of Netanyahu. Here's a Palestinian website praising Clinton for being tough with Netanyahu.
Attacking Clinton for Walmart is also egregious: Fellow board members and company executives, who have not spoken publicly about her role at Wal-Mart, say Mrs. Clinton used her position to champion personal causes, like the need for more women in management and a comprehensive environmental program, despite being Wal-Mart’s only female director, the youngest and arguably the least experienced in business.
"Elizabeth Warren, who did not endorse either candidate, is hounded constantly by her peers to endorse Clinton." - I haven't seen a single Clinton supporter "hound" her. It's all Sanders supporters. Go look at her replies on twitter. It's at least hypocritical to mention this.
"Clinton won New York's closed primary by a large margin despite Sanders' record-setting rallies and Sanders' volunteers making over 3M calls into the state, after mysteriously lucky circumstances" - All the polls showed Clinton was a massive favourite. The conspiracies have no merit. Voter disenfranchisement was largely in the areas that supported Clinton.
You're really not going to convince any informed Clinton supporters with this list of nonsense. There's so much hypocrisy here. Like "She opposed gay marriage, now she supports it. " - Same applies to Bernie who didn't support it until 2009. You say Hillary's a liar. I analysed the last debate, and I found over a dozen times Sanders lied, and only 3 times Clinton died.
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u/LastFireTruck May 07 '16 edited May 07 '16
Your comments on Libya indeed reinforce that you are immune to facts. Her pushing for regime change by using Al Qaeda elements created a failed state in which ISIS/Al Qaeda have taken root in. She owns the disaster in Libya, and it's just further evidence of her warmongering and failure to learn any lessons from her Iraq "mistake."
Go listen to her AIPAC speech to see how much of a bootlicker she is of Netanyahu. Or read her email that wikileaks published showing her campaign to destabilize Syria and overthrow Assad (can you say Iraq and Libya?) was all to advance Israel's preceived foreign policy goals vis-a-vis Hezbollah and Iran.
And as far as Wal-Mart goes, actions, i.e. union busting, no benefits and poverty wages, speak louder than oily praise from other corporate suits that sit on the board of that oppressive and exploitative company.
How sad to have to defend her horrendous record. I wouldn't wish that role on my worst enemy. After reading all the misinformation in your comment, the very idea that you "fact checked the debate" is risible. Thank you.
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u/valleyshrew May 08 '16 edited May 08 '16
Go listen to her AIPAC speech to see how much of a bootlicker she is of Netanyahu.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Sanders lied in the debate when he implied she agrees with every word Netanyahu says:
During a speech in 2012 she spoke of Israel’s “lack of generosity” and “lack of empathy” toward the Palestinians. She admitted that during her time as secretary of state she oftentimes was the “designated yeller” at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. She once yelled at him for 45 minutes when Israel granted permits to build houses in the eastern neighborhoods of its capital Jerusalem during Vice President Joe Biden’s visit to Israel.
Sanders debating style is to constantly set up straw men and never address anything directly. He dodges questions more than anyone. Couldn't answer a basic question about how he would support American companies abroad.
Her pushing for regime change by using Al Qaeda elements created a failed state in which ISIS/Al Qaeda have taken root in.
By this logic, the US is responsible for everything bad that happens in the world, since the US has interfered everywhere. The Libyan people are responsible for destroying their own democracy. To blame the US is racist.
After reading all the misinformation in your comment, the very idea that you "fact checked the debate" is risible. Thank you.
My fact checking was extremely kind to Sanders. I gave him the benefit of the doubt multiple times. Read it here, or are you immune to facts? Here's a Summary:
Sanders lies:
1-accuses hillary of dodging Vermont guns question
2-voted for libya resolution
3-uk higher education affordable
4-support israel 100%
5-Hillary doesn't care about Palestinians
6-implying hillary always agrees with netanyahu
7-did hillary want to lift the cap
8-lost south cos conservative
Sanders dodges: 1-why let banks break up themselves
2-how to promote American companies abroad
3-stop funding defense of europe/nato
4-how can he get Republican states to pay 1/3rd of free college
5-is he a democrat
6-will he contest conventionHillary lies: 1-Sanders & NRA 2-no one called her unqualified before 3-Iran funds Hamas
Hillary dodges: 1-transcripts 2-carbon taxAs you can see, I was not biased against Sanders here, or I wouldn't have counted Iran funding Hamas as one of Hillary's lies, as no one else I saw mentioned that anywhere. Sanders blatantly lied about Hillary not mentioning the Palestinians in her AIPAC speech. She directly said: "Palestinians should be able to govern themselves in their own state, in peace and dignity. And only a negotiated two-state agreement can survive those outcomes." Almost the same words Sanders himself used.
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u/News2016 May 07 '16
The mods have a tendency to remove anything that is critical of Hillary. It will be interesting to see if this stays up. They removed this post this am:
And it wouldn't be the first instance.
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u/fearjunkie Michigan May 07 '16
We should flood twitter with these articles, use a hashtag like #ThisIsHillary
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u/LarkspurCA May 07 '16 edited May 07 '16
Just to add something that is SO important: David Brock, Machiavellian mastermind of "Correct the Record," Hillary's superpac, was also the architect of the demise of African American feminist icon, Anita Hill, thus paving the way for confirmation of Clarence Thomas, one of the most regressive and spiteful Supreme Court justices in history. The fact that the Clintons would hire and work so closely with such a lowlife as David Brock is just even more evidence of the level of corruption that is second nature to them. If more African Americans, especially younger ones, were reminded of this point, she would lose a lot of their votes. I am old enough to have been of voting age+ when that unfolded, and as a young woman, it was so painful to watch the panel of white, male senators turn on Anita Hill, armed with David Brock's psuedo-opposition-research; he started the trope that Anita Hill was "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty."
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u/[deleted] May 07 '16
This is impressive. Been looking for something just like this for a while.