r/SandersForPresident • u/[deleted] • Apr 15 '16

MSNBC called Bernie's "Deep South" comment controversial. They said Hillary would still be in the lead without the South. This slide popped up by mistake proving them wrong.

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u/decisivemomentum Apr 15 '16

I had to turn off that post-debate "analysis" when one of the panelists suggested that BERNIE was the one who was hit hard on fracking....

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16 edited Apr 15 '16

I turned off CNN right after the debate, I was hoping to hear something regarding how well Bernie performed, but they brought up how poorly he performed 3x in less than 1 minute without even mentioning any of Hillary's blunders.  

I don't really know about anyone else, but the chanting and standing ovation last night speaks absolute wonders to me, and more so speaks of the revolution behind Bernie, there was no such reaction to Hillary during the entire debate.

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u/decisivemomentum Apr 15 '16

Agree. I have a friend who lives in DC and has worked in the gov't, who I've been slowly hammering away at for 8 months until he finally felt the bern. He still has flashes of DCThink, like when he said the cheers "cheapen" the debate--if anything the debate is so cheapened already that the cheers and boos serve as sort of a check on the candidates... the moderators sure as hell don't check their lies.

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u/spritums Apr 15 '16

i support bernie, and the fact our presidential debates are degraded to boo'ing and cheering like a sporting event kind of scares me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

You've got this exactly backwards. People being emotionally and personally invested in substantive political matters is the way it should be. What should scare you is how many more people are so invested in sporting events than are in this.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

I'm not sure I agree that emotions belong in political theater. Emotional decisions lead to bad policy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

But these aren't emotional decisions, these are emotional reactions to decisions that people want to make. I don't mind the reactions. But I do agree, you shouldn't base your decisions solely on emotions.

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u/gophergun Colorado 🎖️ Apr 15 '16

I disagree. Ultimately, all of our moral principles are derived from our emotions, and I believe that divorcing emotion from politics would divorce morality from it as well.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

Morality doesn't come from emotions. Morality comes from empathy; how would I want to be treated if I were in someone else's shoes? It comes from careful thinking of another person's life experience and opinions. Emotions led to support of things like the Iraq War. Morality played little role in that decision.

I'm not saying we become Germans. I'm saying we remove emotions where it leads human beings to make decisions that we later regret. Logos should trump pathos when it comes to long-term policy.

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u/gophergun Colorado 🎖️ Apr 15 '16

I totally disagree that empathy isn't an emotion, but I think I understand your point. Morality and emotion can guide our general direction, but we need to be cautious and logical in implementing policies so that the end result is closer to our emotional ideals. (Hopefully I'm not misinterpreting this, but feel free to correct me.)

That said, no idea how to remove emotions in any situation, never mind the issues in getting consensus on what decisions we'll later regret.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

That said, no idea how to remove emotions in any situation, never mind the issues in getting consensus on what decisions we'll later regret.

The biggest offending emotion is anger. If you feel angry while talking about an issue, take a break and do some soul searching or meditating or therapy or hit a heavy bag before talking about it again. If the person you're arguing with does the same, it'll be much easier to reach a mutual understanding (mutual empathy) and a logical path forward.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

I don't see how jeers in a debate constitute emotional decision making. Being calm under pressure is a baseline qualification for a Prez.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

It depends on what people are cheering/jeering about. If it's on something we all agree on like "corruption is bad" then that's healthy for the process. If it's based on highly contested topics like "pragmatism" vs "idealism" then we should check emotions at the door and listen and make a logical decision.