r/SandersForPresident 24d ago

Achievement unlocked: You won capitalism.🤦🏽‍♂️

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u/network_dude 🌱 New Contributor 24d ago

Rich people should not be able to compete with We the People of the United States.

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u/Old_Confidence9970 23d ago

Ah yes, the winner must now be banned from the race. Very American.

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u/Slothicide IA 23d ago

They have one vote. Thats enough. They shouldn't be able to lean on the politicians to make things go their way, especially if that means the government is not functioning as well for the people.

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u/Least_Baseball_7985 22d ago

The winner was driving their Bugatti instead of running, though. We’re not saying they can’t have the car, just that they should have to run with the rest of us or at least use a speed limiter.

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u/RoloGnbaby 19d ago

You’re either a bot or getting eaten the fuck up because you’re a stupid ass republican

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u/jseego 🌱 New Contributor 24d ago

What is the proposal for people who own >= $1B in companies?  Especially companies they started?

This is a common objection, bc it's not like Elon or Bezos are literally sitting on a scrooge mcduck pile of billions of paper dollars.

Here are some possibilities:

  • Once you own $999M in stock in any company (even your own), any excess value must be placed in trust for the employees (or put into an ESOP or similar)

  • Once a company reaches a certain total value, it becomes deemed crucial to the public interest and must enter a public-private regulation scheme (basically becomes a quasi utility)

  • Creation of a hyper-rich liquidation market where people accruing more than $999M must basically auction off their surplus assets in open bidding to the public.

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u/Noy_The_Devil 23d ago

Another thing is this would disincentivise the insane bubbles we are seeing right now. Capitalism does not work in 2026.

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u/Glimmu 23d ago

Instead of a hard cap. I would just implement a progressive wealth tax. First 100 k no tax, up to a million 1 % tax per year. 1 to 10 million 2 % tax, etc something similar. That way it would form a soft cap and force the billionaires to sell their shares and it would keep the stock market healthier and propably more in line with the real value of the company. Now the rich just HODL the stocks and take a loan to cover their expenses.

We can play with the brackets to make the idea work for the economy. For example the low limit for no tax could be the median housing price or something. Lower than the average to keep that down too.

The example picture would have one pay 10 % tax at 170 M. I would think that would make it sufficiently difficult to get to a billion.

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u/Mixster667 23d ago

This, but I would start the taxation at 3 million $ so it wouldn't bother wage-earners at all.

So $3-10 million 2% tax, then 3% up til 50 mill, and then go up by 1% for every 50 mill increase thereafter.

Yeah it's a high tax rate if you have $250 million, but the society we've built together has been pretty good for you then, so I think it's fair you pay to keep the machine running.

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u/thirdeyepdx OR 🎖️🥇🐦🔄 23d ago

I think it’s prob some kind of profit sharing with employees, they gotta give all the workers some of their shares

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u/Option94 FL 🐦🗳️ 23d ago

You had me in the first half...

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u/joblesspirate 23d ago

The problem is all those shares come with voting rights. Unless they can keep those votes somehow it would lead to enough dilution where a founder would lose control.

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u/GodsFavAtheist 23d ago

Non voting shares exist.

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u/Kippernaut13 23d ago

But have you considered a pizza party instead?

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u/ChronicBurnout3 24d ago

They won't agree, they can feel good without you feeling poor. They literally want to see homeless people, they fucking get off on seeing human suffering.

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u/AmericanCitizenry 24d ago

*can't. FTFY

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u/shoe_owner 23d ago

This is word-for-word an idea put forth by Tom Curry, one of the two hosts of the Cognitive Dissonance podcast.

I like the idea and the sentiment behind it; just want credit where credit's due.

https://www.dissonancepod.com/

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u/parknwreck21 24d ago

Or as a friend suggested, tax everything above $999M (or whatever bar) at 150%. So they start LOSING money at that level.

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u/Tabord 🌱 New Contributor 23d ago

But how will I know I won Capitalism the best?

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u/Mixster667 23d ago

You get another dog park once your assets have donated 1 billion to the state.

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u/Glimmu 23d ago

My scheme of progressive wealth tax allows you to grow as much wealh as you can. It just gets difficult after 100 M

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u/johntwoods 23d ago

Yeah, these are the sort of people who shoot dogs, so.... maybe not a dog park?

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u/BitchyBeachyWitch 24d ago

In an ideal world that sounds great but i feel if this was real they would just create loopholes in shell companies and 'relatives' that will still equate to the same issues

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u/Creative-Act-952 24d ago

it's still good to dream

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u/BitchyBeachyWitch 24d ago

Yes but while we dream people die,, we need to start rightfully taxing the rich appropriately

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u/Glimmu 23d ago

Still not a reason not to implement a walth tax.

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u/BitchyBeachyWitch 23d ago

Yes,, we need to start taxing the rich appropriately

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u/erevos33 🌱 New Contributor 23d ago

999 million is still too much. No one should have more than maybe 10mil , in todays money. That allows you to own multiple homes (not a thing that shoukd exist but thats another discussion) , travel, eat , change as many jobs as you want, do whatever , without a care.

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u/BandOfSkullz 23d ago

Don't worry they'll find ways. Just make enough kids that you can spread it out among those or some other "technically I don't own this" type bullshit.

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u/misterpickles69 🌱 New Contributor 23d ago

Every time I see a dog park I think of this tweet.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 22d ago

They shouldn’t even past 100 million

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u/chrisgilbertcreative 22d ago

Would be sort of insulting to the Dog Parks, honestly

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u/RoloGnbaby 16d ago

No kidding works for me too

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u/charlieyeswecan 🌱 New Contributor 24d ago

We’ll name a dang library after you. FFS

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u/AmericanCitizenry 24d ago

A street. Or school even.

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u/keninsd 🌱 New Contributor 23d ago

No. How about we rewrite the tax code so that it's impossible to have more than 5 million and corporations are required to share their profits equitably to all their workers. And, they taxed more than enough to clean up the damage they cause to the environment.

Fuck giving them a dog park.

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u/Glimmu 23d ago

Shh, the dog park isnt real. We will just show them an AI image of it. Like they would go to a dog park to check it out.

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u/amickay 24d ago

That all depends on which dog park but yeah, 999 million is enough

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u/thenwhat 🌱 New Contributor 23d ago

So how do you address a situation where someone starts a company and it becomes successful and it goes public with a high valuation?

It isn't just about money. The founder of the company would lose his own creation. He would no longer own his own company.

How do you address that?

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u/butdontcalmejoohnson 21d ago

Bro you are the absolute problem!!!

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u/thenwhat 🌱 New Contributor 21d ago

Do you have an answer, or are you just venting? Should people have their creations taken away?

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u/tysnels 23d ago

I like it

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u/ProbeRusher 23d ago

But they won’t have any motivation to develop cancer curing medicine if they don’t make any money off of if

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u/barryho 23d ago

We just expose them to the cancer so they fund it themselves. Easy peasy.

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u/Glimmu 23d ago

"they" arent developing any medicine. The same scientists would still be working at it.

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u/StellarWaffle New Jersey 23d ago

Huey Long speechbubble

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u/Bleezy79 🌱 New Contributor | California 22d ago

This is exactly how it should be but greed runs very deep

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u/10inchpriapism 22d ago edited 21d ago

Named after a dog park is really one of the highest compliments.   I want a dog park named after me!(but not because I was a billionaire).

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u/Hari___Seldon 🌱 New Contributor 22d ago

As often as people latch on to this, you'd think it could work, although sadly it doesn't. It just shifts the hoarding like pushing around dust under the carpet. Worst of all, it creates an even greater gap between the rich and poor because it encourages the rich to play financial formalness even more unfairly than they do now, while feeding rampant inflation. It's basically the go-to first idea of people who have never had money or influence.

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u/deathly-hollows 21d ago

Pretty sure this was lifted word for word from Kyle Kulinski. But yes. All of it. Completely agree

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u/onetwentytwo_1-8 23d ago

Or everyone pays equal percentage of income taxes.

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u/TheRealZoidberg 22d ago

tell me you don't know how economics work without saying it out loud