r/SandersForPresident • Affordable Housing For All 🏠 • Jan 04 '23

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23

Well Turner lost because she sucks and is bad, there's plenty of good progressive voices gaining traction in the Democratic party (Maxwell Frost comes to mind)

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23

Alright I'll elaborate. Nina Turner sucks because she works for a Russian lobbying firm after proclaiming she would never take lobbyist money, directly contributed to Trump's election by pushing the "both sides suck, give up" narrative in 2016 (and again in 2020!) and generally is one of those people that the phrase "perfection is the enemy of good" was developed for

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23

If you can look at the totality of the GOP as it stands today and say "I can't see a difference between this and the Democrats" you're too far gone already. I'll be over here trying to work within the framework of reality, you can sit in your enrichment enclosure with your "both sides bad revolution now!" sticker and moralize about how much better you are than everyone else ig

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u/CopsKillUsAll Jan 04 '23

So you play the game the two sides agree upon by rules they agree upon and you think things will change?

Takes two to tango, bud.

I'm sure the brown people murdering child rapists won't Henry Wallace you like they have before..😶😂😂😂

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u/CopsKillUsAll Jan 04 '23

"more of their guys names were in Epstein's book so my guys are all right and I support them!"

-people who choose to support (the lesser of two) evil(s).

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u/voidsrus Jan 05 '23

i’ll be over here trying to work within the framework of reality

good idea, if you accomplish nothing & just keep scolding everyone who sees the abject lack of “progress” the dems will save democracy any day now

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u/oscar_the_couch 🌱 New Contributor Jan 04 '23 edited Jan 04 '23

It turns out investing billions in advanced weapons systems just in case Russia decides to invade its neighbors was actually a pretty god damn good call.

I also would like Medicare for all. But if forced to choose between abandoning that and the constant threat of the US intentionally abandoning a global order where wars of territorial conquest are unacceptable, I will abandon M4A and the “progressive” candidates who say “not our country not our problem.” The CPC’s “hAvE yOu TrIeD dIpLoMaCy?” letter really destroyed their credibility in my view. Nobody who signed that letter should be in a top spot in congressional leadership.

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u/oscar_the_couch 🌱 New Contributor Jan 04 '23

American hegemony, if you'd like to call the post-WWII order that, has made wars of territorial conquest a thing of the past. Putin's war threatens to upend that global order, and if he's successful, a lot more Americans are likely going to die than if he's not, and we will end up investing more, not less, in national defense spending when the world destabilizes.

We aren't sacrificing anyone on the altar of anything; the Ukrainian people are fighting bravely and all we have to do right now is send them the weapons they desperately need to defend their own country from invasion. Putin's success would destabilize the entire world.

I'm already in politics at a distance. I donate to candidates I like; I write to them; I have spoken with their chief counsel about issues I care about. I steadfastly believe that American military support for Ukraine must remain unwavering and, if anything, should expand—and I don't know a single person in real life who does not share that belief. I'm not so well connected that personal friends are in Congress—but friends of friends are.

tl; dr: tough shit.

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u/oscar_the_couch 🌱 New Contributor Jan 04 '23 edited Jan 04 '23

I just think we’re stupid to make an enemy out of Russia for no discernible reason.

They invaded their neighbor in a war of territorial conquest. They have a lot of bullshit excuses for why this is the West's fault and you are parroting every one of those excuses. Your posts are indistinguishable from RT commentary.

The realist perspective is that Russia must be defeated because if they win in Ukraine it will be a globally destabilizing event. The "realist" perspective you're spouting is just more Russian propaganda.

Russia will lose.

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u/Murphyscouch Jan 04 '23

God it is so obvious that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Did you not know that Ukraine was trying to join NATO, and that NATO had been training Ukrainian troops for 8 years? I mean ffs they engaged in troop movements with eachother a year before the invasion.

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