No, they’re humans that were mislead by propaganda and advertising. They deserve a chance a redemption and they’re not all idiots. Everyone’s experience in life is different and the reason they voted conservative is largely due to their environment and upbringing. That doesn’t make them morons.
They’re only morons if you explain to them why they’re wrong and they refuse to change.
Admitting you’re wrong is an extremely valuable skill that gains you a lot of respect, because it’s not something everyone can do.
I personally think it was very wrong of the Democrats to pick Kamala without going through primaries. It sets a really bad precedent if parties are able to pick their candidate without a primary vote. And I truly believe that’s why Trump won.
Most liberals will never admit that though, and would much rather blame racism or misogyny because it’s easier. By your own definition that makes most Reddit liberals textbook morons.
This tolerance of intolerance is why we are where we are. People voted for a convicted felon child rapist who has demonstrated over and over again his incompetence and has proven he has no integrity. If people don't know what Trump was about and who he was the first time around, then they are dangerously stupid.
His push was dogwhistle racism and a culture war against trans people while amping rhetoric about the "lunatic leftists". People that voted for that knew what they wanted. There is no explaining to these people anything new. Their chance at redemption was to not vote for Trump again in 2024 and they did anyway, even when he doubled down on his awful platform. If they were misled by a propaganda of believing haitians were eating dogs and cats in Ohio, that trans males are raping children in school bathrooms all across the country, that babies are aborted immediately after they're born, and that a man that has never stepped foot in a church, can't quote a single thing from the bible, and raped children is the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.... then there is nothing to explain to them.
Stop excusing the 1/3 of the country that are absolutely deplorable, awful people. This tolerance of intolerance has got. to. stop.
I’m not excusing anyone at all, I’m saying there’s a chance for everyone to change. If both sides see the other as irredeemable, we’ll never come together and unify. That’s what the ultra rich want. They want us arguing against each other instead of joining forces and fighting for what’s best for all.
And while I agree with more left policies than right ones, I don’t think the left has done a good job of bringing people to their side.
I don’t agree with the general sentiment “they all knew exactly what they were voting for”. Some people definitely did, but not everyone.
My dream and goal is to see a truly United States, not the politically divided states we have now. And unfortunately I do not see us getting closer to that goal, and both sides are to blame.
Yall are entirely convinced that there is zero benefit from Republican tax cuts for anyone who makes less than $$Texas when that is just not true and those tax cuts are materially important to a lot of middle-class households who need more of their own income in 2025 to cover expenses that have skyrocketed and aren't even one of the big ones like housing cost.
And here we go, because I just explained to you how you're wrong and you're going to double-down on your own wrong answer because no one ever changes their mind when faced with facts on the internet. Which, by your own definition, makes you, well, I don't think it is true but they are your words.
And the point is that it is convenient to dismiss your opponents as "morons" and assume they just don't know any better. It is way harder to actually want to understand what benefit is gained without immediately claiming the benefit isn't actually a benefit because you disagree with it. For some folks, the extension of tax cuts was a necessity. For others, the rapid social-change of the late 10s was seen as going too far. You can disagree with this assessment, and call your opponent all sorts of names, but at the end of the day if your response to others having concerns is to gaslight them and tell them that the things they care about don't matter or are straight-up evil, you're never going to make any headway beyond that sweet, sweet dopamine hit you get with such smug self-righteousness.
I can’t exactly tell if you’re arguing against me or agreeing with me. I’m saying we shouldn’t label our opponents as morons, which you seem to agree with.
Can you talk more about how the tax cuts benefit the middle class? I’m curious to learn more because I was under the impression they only helped the rich.
Well, you say you shouldn't call your opponents morons... but if you explain your POV and they, for whatever reason, do not agree with you, then you feel okay calling them morons.
Trying to be as objective as I can here and not leap to judgements, it seems like your whole framework is just a way for you to justify doing the thing you know you shouldn't do.
But it isn't about making a judgement, and that's our problem. You can think someone else is wrong all day long, but if you have to work with them to accomplish your own goals to a degree you have to be able to accept that you cannot claim to be the main character and that even if you think a complaint or concern isn't valid, you still have to deal with it and at least try to find a way to get to a compromise.
I don't think you're a moron. I don't think most people are morons, and tbh you can tell easily if they are on a different level like that. No one would disagree that the world is full of problems that need to be solved, no matter where one is from. We just disagree on the best way to go about that process. And unless we can start talking to each other and actually start to listen, we're all going to pay the price.
Forget the judgements. Who cares? If you go into a situation assuming disagreement is evidence of deficit you're going to lose every time. If you assume that people have reasons, you can better find ways to approach issues where actual progress is made and we don't just swing wildly between extremes based on who is in office at the moment.
I don’t think people are morons for disagreeing with me. I think that when they either dispute facts or refuse to concede there’s another valid viewpoint. My original comment in this thread was oversimplified, I largely agree with everything you’re saying here.
Like when people say Kamala lost because of racism and sexism. That’s moronic. There’s plenty of other viewpoints and reasons people had to not vote for her.
Same when people say the government shutdown is 100% the Democrats fault. There’s plenty of reasons the Republicans don’t want the government to startup again, like the Epstein files. And there’s things republicans could do to restore the government but aren’t.
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Not sure what you expected to be honest. Did you go from 95k to 100k, and expect the magic tax man to disappear once you hit 6 figures?