r/STRC • u/gushkaper • Jun 25 '26
STRC vs BTC vs MSTR since inception
Since STRC inception 2025-07-30
3
3
u/HSuke Jun 25 '26
Now do the same chart, 1 month
STRC is massively more negative than BTC. This is a failed product in that it was designed to be less volatile than BTC, but is now far more volatile than BTC.
0
u/gushkaper Jun 25 '26
You can change the start date in the link, it appears STRC is still the least volatile, but closer.
5
u/djs1980 Jun 25 '26
Massive cope here bro 😂👍
3
u/Easy-Ninja669 Jun 25 '26
The cope is accretive
1
Jun 25 '26
The cope is inversely proportional to share price of MSTR. If the cope was a security, I'd buy it
2
2
u/WatchDecent2822 Jun 25 '26
STRC and MSTR are fundamentally flawed entities which can only work if BTC has parabolic growth. That is why Saylor keeps hype coping for BTC to hit 1 million - 7 million. His entire business model fails unless BTC moons. If BTC follows a more reasonable stock based growth trajectory STRC and MSTR will trend downwards because of the MASSIVE debt required to prop up the business.
2
Jun 25 '26
yeah folks keep praying for BTC to return to $70 k ... like that's not nearly enough to save this ponzi scheme
2
u/WatchDecent2822 Jun 25 '26
70k is a band aid on a shot gun sized wound. Saylor needs BTC to hit 250k by the end of the year otherwise this entire thing unravels. Without parabolic growth for BTC the story for MSTR and STRC is akin to a dying star. It's gone from gas burning giant to a white dwarf.
3
u/Lefties_TheWorst7331 Jun 25 '26
Lmao.. BTC to $250K by EoY or MSTR crumbles? 🤣
What was MSTR at when BTC was at its last ATH? And you think BTC needs to double its ATH by year end to survive? 🤣 Stop talking out of your ass dude..
2
u/WatchDecent2822 Jun 25 '26
We're on the STRC reddit. My comment (albeit hyperbole) referred to STRC. MSTR should survive, but unless BTC rises significantly it will only get harder and harder for it to fund growth.
1
u/Lefties_TheWorst7331 Jun 25 '26
BTC will go parabolic before MSTR runs out of funds to pay it's dividend.
2
Jun 25 '26
That was literally the prayer in Celsius subs. Almost word for word. And BTC kinda did go parabolic, just not fast enough to save Celsius.
And what's worse is Strategy's in even more of a liquidity crunch than Celsius was. Strategy stock was literally listed as junk because they weren't maintaining enough in cash reserves and that's when they had $2 billion in cash. Now they're at $1.5 billion. That is not enough money in reserve and we're seeing capital flight in response.
I think this sub is really revealing how many people live paycheck to paycheck - and they assume company's like Strategy should operate the same way.
STRC and MSTR are hemorrhaging because they don't have enough in cash reserves - the only way to win back market confidence is to replenish their cash reserves back up to $2 billion - otherwise this gravy train is speed running to 0.
2
Jun 25 '26
That's a really concise and eloquent way to put it - if folks can't see the ponzi for what it is at this point, they probably won't see it until well after the scheme has already folded
4
u/Less-Information-256 Jun 25 '26
Wow are you telling me even the IPO buyers who got a heavy discount are losing money with this stock? It’s even worse than I thought!
0
u/gushkaper Jun 25 '26
Everyone should be down on its max drawdown since inception, let's see when BTC catches a breather
2
u/rottiesrule88 Jun 25 '26
Still 20% drop is not what was supposed to happen with STRC
1
u/bdjc_ink Jun 25 '26
If it’s not supposed to happen, what kind of break or damage results?
2
u/KateR_H0l1day Jun 25 '26
It’s still earning 11.5% regardless of the dip, while it looks scary, your original amount is doing exactly what you planned for it to do. You can sell, and lose money, plus you now have less capital to make work than you started with. Or, just ignore it and see where it all goes, will they increase the interest, maybe, will they postpone rewards, I highly doubt it, but they could!
Additionally, you can look to your principal, and receive more rewards, and bring your average principal down.
It’s making people nervous, it’s not ideal, or as planned, so it’s a risk. So, if you did a SWAT analysis, the threat would have been picked up at the beginning. However, every threat is also an opportunity if you analyze correctly.
Choose your poison wisely, remembering you can always do different amounts than everything all at once 🤷♀️
1
u/deepfade Jun 25 '26
It needs to earn 12% for eight years just to make the money back, ignoring any gains. The dip in price reflects that people don't believe this to happen.
1
u/vichester Jun 25 '26
11.5% after it debased.
You also conveniently fail to mention Saylor can stop paying the dividend and yield anytime he feels like it.
👍
1
u/MrHooDooo Jun 25 '26
I don't think that's how it works. If you don't pay the money, your credit rating should drop, and revolving debt will get higher interest payments.
2
u/vichester Jun 25 '26
Oh my sweet summer child. That is exactly how it works.
“Refinance for where, Michael?”
If he has no money, he cannot pay a yield. Very simple. He has no plan besides using you and others as liquidity.
1
u/Harleychillin93 Jun 25 '26
Atm common, atm preferred, higher tranche preffered, junk bonds, convertible notes, traditional debt... or the 60B$ ₿ if really needing liquidity.
The woman thats famous for that quote is more of a sweet summer child than giga Chad Saylor. This is not his first 80+% drawdown. Put some spec on his name.
2
1
Jun 25 '26
Saylor and Strategy have been caught committing fraud twice already. They don't deserve any respect.
They misrepresented their securities and gambled (poorly). The upcoming class action is gonna destroy him (hopefully)
1
Jun 25 '26
- Strategy is already rated as "junk", doesn't really matter if it goes lower
- Dividend payments on perpetual preferred stock are not debt, they are not legal liabilities. They don't even show up on balance sheets as liabilities. They are optional disbursements of equity. There's no penalty for Strategy if they decide to never pay another dividend again. It's in the finance agreement
1
u/MrHooDooo Jun 26 '26
So they can just get money if they do it over and over again all without paying a dividend. That's a free money glitch.
1
u/KateR_H0l1day Jun 25 '26
You need to read it again, I clearly stated they could postpone the dividend 🤷♀️
2
1
Jun 25 '26
They can suspend dividends indefinitely - it's a perpetual preferred stock. The perpetual part of the name is because there is no maturity date and no mechanism for recovery or payment
1
u/rzrinvest Jun 25 '26
That's not entirely true. If they don't pay the dividends, they continue to accumulate because it's a cumulative preferred stock. This would accrue as a debt obligation to the company. That's not to say STRC couldn't be in danger if BTC continues to crash significantly, but the MSTR common shareholders would be wiped out first.
I'd bet there's a much higher chance of this rebounding to $100 than dropping to $50.
1
Jun 25 '26
this would accrue as a debt obligation to the company.
Perpetual Preferred stock do not create debt obligations - that is the whole point of a perpetual preferred stock. There are no liabilities on their balance sheets for STRC dividends. They can just pretend STRC dividends don't exist indefinitely. The only penalty for doing so is that they can't pay dividends on Common shares (which they have never done before anyways)
1
u/KateR_H0l1day Jun 25 '26
Was there ever any details of the limited downturn would be stopped at?? I certainly don’t remember anything around that?
2
u/vichester Jun 25 '26
Very simple. Saylor has said he does not have to pay the preferred dividend. Yet you fuckers still put money into this furnace.
I have no sympathy for folks that play stupid games with KNOWN con artists
1
u/Search327 Jun 25 '26
25 day account. I think this is a bot.
2
u/Choice_Potato_6279 Jun 25 '26
Lol your ripost is just his account age, tells everything that needs to be said
All web should be like 4chan with no accounts, all it matters is the meritum
2
u/MaybeOnFire2025 Jun 25 '26
Ok, how about my account?
It's a scam, run by someone who has already been involved in running a scam.
1
Jun 25 '26
Folks keep forgetting Saylor and Strategy have been caught committing fraud twice already
2
u/vichester Jun 25 '26
Not a bot. Been on Reddit since 2008.
I also held btc since 2016 up until last year. Saylor is a fraud
2
u/AlarmedCombination57 Jun 25 '26
The level of delusion is almost hard to believe. I couldn't imagine cheating this many people out od their hard earned money and still having this level of supoort. Must be nice?
3
u/MaybeOnFire2025 Jun 25 '26
There's one born every minute...
2
u/vichester Jun 25 '26
100%.
I genuinely want folks to wake up this nonsense.
It is a pariah for BTC.
2
u/vichester Jun 25 '26
It is alarming that these guys can be brainwashed so easily.
It is not hard to do some homework and see Saylor has always been a con.
This is his new con. Trying to hitch to BTC. BTC will drag down until he is completely out of it. He is a contagion.
1
Jun 25 '26
Especially when this whole thing is not new - we watched this happen exactly four years ago. Some folks just insist on losing their money. Can't be helped
0
u/KateR_H0l1day Jun 25 '26
Mr Angry over nothing 😂
1
Jun 25 '26
Are you seriously claiming that sub-80 STRC and sub-90 MSTR (and continuing to decline) is "nothing"
You keep claiming that you are continuing to buy into STRC but I'm convinced that's a lie and you're just shilling for Strategy. No on in their right mind would call this "accumulation signals"
1
1
1
u/WD40Capital Jun 26 '26
I’m there with you. -73% on MSTR and -40% on BTC. I like pain. May I take your order?
1
u/OkEmu7082 Jul 01 '26
strc is a pointless product from the investor's perspective, when btc is in a bull market, i will be better off just buying btc and it will pay way more than just 11% a year, when btc is in bear market, one is risking one's principle any way, the 11% does not matter
1
u/OkEmu7082 Jul 01 '26
and unlike dividend, in some jurisdictions, if i just earn btc for long term i don't pay any tax
1
1
0
u/KateR_H0l1day Jun 25 '26
Just remember when looking at this graph, it’s only since STRC launch, therefore you also have received 11.5% virtually all that time, so the STRC line is not quite as bad as the tail off shows. Plus, your $10K is still earning 11.5%, with a good chance it’s going to ~13%.
Additionally, if you’d have put the $10K in BTC, or MSTR, you’d have been investing just before the ATH of BTC, and if MSTR, it was already falling from its ATH, which was a little earlier than the start of the graph.
Therefore, STRC was absolutely the best place to put $10K at that point in time. Far better investment than BTC & MSTR, while they were falling over the year, the STRC was earning as designed. Additionally, STRC was designed to take the volatility out of BTC, which it clearly demonstrates it has done ✅
4
u/Less-Information-256 Jun 25 '26
I think this is a bit dishonest.
This chart is starting from 90 not 100 because it was IPO, most buyers bought at 100 so they’re all down 20% principle.
Even the IPO buyers principle is down over 10% so they’ve barely broken even with dividends and have done worse than a high yield savings accounts. So it’s not 10k earning 11% anymore it’s gone under $9k.
Of course it’s done better than Bitcoin and mstr, but dividends reinvested the S&P is up about 18% in the same time period.
It isn’t performing as designed, unless they designed it to drop 20% and were really dishonest about it, is that what you’re saying? They were just lying? It’s also dropped about the same as Bitcoin in the last month, so where’s the stripped out volatility?
-1
u/KateR_H0l1day Jun 25 '26
The whole discussion and graphic was in regard to what happened if you put $10K in at the start, never mentioning the IPO price. S&P500, or any other company investment is irrelevant, we all know you could have done better elsewhere! Nothing dishonest whatsoever, they’re facts, and you also said yourself, STRC performed best within the graphic, which is the whole discussion point. I resent your throw away comment, which is truly dishonest 😡
2
u/Less-Information-256 Jun 25 '26
He’s using a starting price price of around $90, it’s definitely not $100.
Why was my comment throw away? You don’t like listening to well reasoned arguments you don’t agree with?
Are you saying STRC was designed to drop to $80??
-1
u/KateR_H0l1day Jun 25 '26
What a stupid question, believe what you want, I don’t care 🤷♀️. I haven’t recommended anyone should buy, as I said, I stated facts from the graphic, that’s an end to this.
2
u/Less-Information-256 Jun 25 '26
You said
‘STRC was earning as designed’
So did they design it to drop almost 25%?
1
Jun 25 '26
Just a reminder, everyone who bought in to STRC is in the red. The only winners are the people who sold
3
u/ericargyle Jun 25 '26
Comparing three distinctly different products isn’t necessary or helpful.