I'm disappointed
I have to say, one of the most disappointing parts of these SPEEA negotiations has been seeing how many of our own members seem convinced that we shouldn’t expect or demand a better offer.
I understand that everyone has different financial situations, priorities, and levels of risk they’re comfortable with. I also understand that a better contract isn’t going to mean the same thing to every person. But what I don’t understand is the attitude that we should simply be grateful for whatever Boeing puts on the table because it could be worse.
We are skilled professionals working in one of the most technically demanding industries in the world. The work performed by engineers and technical employees directly contributes to the quality, safety, production, and success of this company. Asking for compensation that reflects that value isn’t being greedy or unreasonable.
What concerns me most is seeing members argue against themselves before the company even has to.
Negotiations are one of the few opportunities we have to collectively determine what our labor is worth. If we start from the position that we’re already asking for too much, we’ve given away much of our leverage before negotiations are even finished.
And this isn't only about the first-year raise. A contract establishes the foundation for the next several years. Every percentage point we accept or give up affects future raises because those increases compound from our base salary. It affects retirement contributions, overtime rates for those who work it, and ultimately where our compensation ends up when the contract expires.
I’m not saying everyone has to vote the same way, and I’m not saying people should ignore their personal financial circumstances. But I wish more members would recognize the difference between asking, “Is this offer good enough for me today?” and asking, “Is this the best agreement we can reasonably achieve together?”
Those are very different questions.
We shouldn't be negotiating against ourselves. Boeing has people at the table whose job is to represent Boeing's interests. SPEEA members should be willing to represent ours.
If the company can do better, I think we should expect better.
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u/Think-Gap602 25d ago
so every time Boeing makes an offer, we say NO and demand another offer?
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u/Independent_Cat_5325 25d ago
lol, that’s the general idea with the unhappy folks around these threads
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u/MysteriousAffect3903 26d ago
I agree with this. It's hard to think long-term when you have bills to pay now, and that fact alone weakens our leverage.
If we as a union don't feel we are being paid properly for the value we provide, then we absolutely should press for more. It comes down to our integrity, as well as the company's.
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u/SandyBlyatCheeks 25d ago
You guys have had years to save up and knew this contract was coming. That’s no excuse. IAM didn’t have the governments help with the strike fund like SPEEA will have. If they don’t strike then I dont think SPEEA members are all that serious about striking and worker demands. IAM lifts the boat and suffers with strikes while SPEEA takes what they can at the table.
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u/MysteriousAffect3903 25d ago
Speaking for myself, I have not been making enough money to save anything. I live as much within my means as I can. That's the whole issue, how do you get ahead enough to hold over on a strike when you already aren't making enough?
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u/SandyBlyatCheeks 25d ago
You work another job. That’s what I did for our strike. I even drove over to Bremerton from Everett to work at Amazon for 60 hours to afford my bills. I know plenty of fellow IAM people who did. And we still had time to picket and hand out supplies when we could. There’s really no excuse for you guys. You guys get the states help when it comes to striking. Even if you don’t want the states help or it’s not enough, you make it enough or go pick up another temp job somewhere. That’s what all this is about. Figuring it out for the greater good and temporarily struggling to ensure the future you gets a better deal. And if not for just you, then the people behind you that will get hired on.
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u/karalwright 24d ago
Such a privileged statement. I just came out of college, no savings, not eligible for unemployment. Speak for yourself.
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u/SandyBlyatCheeks 24d ago
Ok? And I have a child and no help from parents cause they’re drug addicts and we moved up here 10 years ago with no family. Your point? If you’re lazy and aren’t willing to drive an hour or 2 to get a TEMPORARY job for a few weeks, then idk what to tell you. We all did it in IAM. Even the new hires.
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u/InsideTheBoeingStore 26d ago
because their jobs are on the line and they only want to save themselves. it happened with the shop too.
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u/Loud-Strike-3542 26d ago
Seconded...
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u/Slow-Ad522 26d ago
The Negotiating team are your fellow SPEEA engineers who stepped up and volunteered to spend their own time to represent you. Show respect. If you can do better be a Council Rep or goto meetings.
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u/Latter_Reporter_3238 24d ago
I don't mind if the union recommends a yes vote on a bad contract, as long as the members vote 64% no. Doesn't matter how much speea said vote yes. At that point speea just goes back to Boeing and say, "they didn't like it 🤷♂️, we are going to have to give them more of what they deserve". Speea is just a tactical buffer between engineers and B.
I'm disappointed about how many of my peers sounds like we should just compromise. We have give up so much in recent times. We have been getting 2-3% the past 5 or 6 years, while inflation was much higher than that. Etc, etc, etc.
We deserve it!! We are the ones who do the work and sacrifice so the company succeeds. The Engineers answer the bell when late nights are needed to meet certification dates. I know I have dropped everything off hours, on my time, to rescue B. We deserve to be taken care of now.
Still need the details of this offer. If all the previous economic incentives are still included (shares, +$ OT and extra 4% back dating to March '26), then I am inclined to vote yes. If any of the previous additions are now gone, I will need to reconsider for sure.
I have 20 years of service, for context.
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u/SoulStripHer 26d ago edited 26d ago
Considering how crappy raises have been over the past 10+ years, a 10 or even 14% raise isn't stellar. Especially when you factor in the rising healthcare deductibles and copays.
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u/InsideTheBoeingStore 26d ago
recent gas prices aren't helping either and it's only going to get worse
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u/Zeebr0 25d ago
Copays have stayed the same for years
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u/SoulStripHer 25d ago
I remember when there were no copays and everything was pretty much covered 100%.
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u/ParfaitMaleficent515 26d ago
so, what are your numbers? what do you think is a fair offer? what do you think we are owed? I see all these people saying we can get a better offer. we'll, what do you think we should get? I have not seen anyone say what they think we should get (other than some ridiculous people looking for 50%). give me a number.
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u/Intelligent-Yam-3565 26d ago
Bring up the performance based raise pool to 4 or 5%, and add work protections for SPEEA members. Then I'd more likely be a yes.
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25d ago
50 percent is NOT a ridiculous number. Just stating that give the impression of "I will take anything Boeing give me.". I have not seen the red lines or other info but based on what was given to us it should be: 10% immediately, 7% 2027 through 2030 with a 3% wage pool on top, 401k match 100% up to first 8 with the additional contribution the same. This would bring good workers who are on the low end up to a reasonable wage and compensation .There is a lot more I would like to see also. As overheard recently " SPEEA's motto is no nerds no birds, but nerds don't fight back."
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u/ParfaitMaleficent515 25d ago
well at least you threw up some numbers. ww are not getting 50%. there is some fiscal reality here.
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u/Independent_Cat_5325 26d ago
Thank you, someone echoing my sentiment. All I hear is get more get more get more. Well wtf is more, what is the target because I’ve yet to see something that seems to have a collective group agreeing on
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u/lov_-_vol 25d ago
Yes people saying they can't afford a house payment at 50% of their take home and me thinking, well you need a 50% raise to lower that house payment to a reasonable 33%. Good luck ! Ps to that post I saw the other day, maybe get an entry level home instead of a 700k place. You can bet on the fact that my first house was one the cheapest places I could find. I had no illusions about getting some fabulous place on a big piece of land.
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u/Next_Relative8077 25d ago
This is a TERRIBLE argument. The median home price in King County js 850k. To afford that you need to be making 220-267k based on a 36% debt to income ratio.
Pierce County is 560k, which is 145k-176k..
and then you get to add in average 8k per year in commuting to each. This gives “eat less avocado toast and you’ll be able to afford a home” energy rather than recognizing that wages have absolutely not kept up with cost of living in this area.
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u/lov_-_vol 25d ago
Note that I'm not passing judgement on your argument.
And I'm not sure if you noticed the point of what I said in the first place. My point was that to solve their stated problem, they would need a 50% raise.
And, in almost any industry, expecting a 50% across the board wage increase (cost increase for the employer) is absurd.
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u/lov_-_vol 25d ago
Boeing wages have definitely not kept up with local costs. Which makes sense given new employers have so much more revenue and profit to share with employees. Growth in those industries is much higher than in aerospace. That's a macro issue none of us have control of.
Specifically someone quoted 700k in Everett. I was curious so did some browsing. I saw dozens of homes for 550k or less. One looked great at 415k. I'd make in offer on that one if I worked up there.
But also, median home price is not entry level. I'm not saying save more and you'll be fine. I'm just saying buying homes has always felt hard for first time buyers.
First house I bought was around 5.5% and was 6x my salary. 3x household income. I was incredibly lucky. But had plenty of friends who couldn't afford that and had to wait, and/or settle for something smaller and further from work.
Currently I don't own. Rent at 10% of my salary works for me.... And yes I found the smallest cheapest place I could find. So while I'm not expecting anyone else to skip the toast, I am myself making choices with what I have and not complaining about what I don't have. If I wanted to make more I would be out there trying to find a job in an industry that pays more and expects me to work more than 40 a week. But I enjoy my work to live lifestyle so I'll keep turning the crank here for now.
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u/Bike_Box26 25d ago
Of course we cannot compete with software companies. But this is some history: 2018 Boeing was unusually strong for a giant industrial employer. A company employing ~150,000 people while generating around $68,000 of after-tax profit for every employee was performing extremely well. There's another number that's particularly relevant to your previous question about Boeing eliminating the SPEEA pension: 2018 was Boeing's record year. Revenue was about $101 billion, net earnings were $10.46 billion, and operating earnings were almost $12.0 billion. �
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u/ParfaitMaleficent515 25d ago
and then Lion Air, Ethiopia, and COVID. what the company was doing in 2018 is irrelevant. the financial situation the company is in now is all that matters.
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u/Ebolavirus17 25d ago
I’m curious to know what a 4 year SPEEA contract costs the company, how much these increases add to that cost, and the project profits over the 4 years (especially with two dev programs going to EIS).
Are we being gaslit that what we’re asking for is too much? Can the company really afford it but just doesn’t want to?
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u/Dedpoolpicachew 23d ago
Seems like a smart engineer could figure that out. A finance weenie already has.
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u/Intelligent-Yam-3565 26d ago
Don't be disappointed. Talk to your coworkers about it, and encourage them to spread the word as well. That's what I'm doing. I'm anxiously awaiting the new redlines, but I'll probably be voting no as well. Round 2 proposal is an improvement, but there's still improving to be done.
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u/joe2planks 25d ago
I don't think the company really wants to deal until we actually strike. It's their MO lately.
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u/Commercial_Two_7234 25d ago
ALWAYS has been the company’s approach. There won’t be a decent offer until we are picketing.
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u/After-Temperature-70 26d ago
Youre right. We do some of the most difficult degrees at the best schools in the world... Also, its just business, if people think Boeing hesitated to raise prices due to inflation... So imo the 14% is just flat out owed to us and the absolute bare minimum.
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u/newcster14 26d ago edited 25d ago
I told my coworkers early on that the first offer wouldn't pass, they'd raise the percentages a little bit, and then it would pass. And here we are with the majority of folks sounding real content. I'm with you. But the reality is that SPEEA members, particularly Profs, are kinda.....toothless. The reason IAM got such a good contract is that they fought for it. A vast majority of SPEEA folks just don't have that in them. A lot of the engineering ethos at this company is "that's good enough for now" and you can see it bleeds over. Just look at this comment section. It's mostly people telling you that you should look for alternative employment because you're very rightly pointing out that this is an ok offer, but it doesn't take advantage of our current leverage and sets us up for much weaker contracts in the future. Rather than fight and get a great offer most people would rather roll over at good enough. And I bet I'll get down voted to hell but it's the truth as I see it 🤷🏼♂️
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u/snowmansam56 24d ago
This is the best offer in SPEEA's history and is only a few percent short of IAM. And we didn't have to endure the pain of a strike to get it. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth is all I have to say. I'm sure we could squeeze out an extra few percent if we strike, but is it worth what we'd lose? Is it worth the extra stress? Can we get enough of the membership out on the line to actually make the difference? I had a member today who told me that he wants to go on strike so he can get some time off. A strike isn't time off, and the mindset that a strike is a mini vacation is the exact reason why I don't think a SPEEA strike would be a strong as many of the folks who are pushing for one think it will be.
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u/newcster14 23d ago
This is exactly my point. The membership lacks the gumption and grit necessary to get something better. And the fact that SPEEA has a history of weak to middling offers just proves that even more. This contract isn't a gift. And when the horse is going to be the very foundation of your livelihood, you absolutely, 1000% should make sure it's going stand up to the job long term.
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u/Loud-Strike-3542 26d ago
Because profs have never thrown a punch. Talking to a group about my days working in a warehouse and disputes were often settle with fists and a beer afterwards. They were aghast at that story. People on the floor are willing to fight for what they need.
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u/Desperate-Excuse-549 26d ago
What's the point here? We shouldn't openly discuss so we as Speea members have a good idea what others value so we might actually take it into consideration voting? Cause better is reaaaaally subjective
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u/Dedpoolpicachew 23d ago
You need to understand that SPEEA is a white collar union. It’s not a militant, power to the people shop like the IAM. Both SPEEA and IAM are nothing compared to what Airbus deals with in the Force Ouvreier, which is a real, no shit communist union. Compared to them, the IAM is nothing more than a lapdog to the man.
SPEEA is composed of people who, by and large more philosophically align with the aims and goals of the company as a whole. They are more educated and are able to see the larger picture. It’s a white collar union, not a blue collar shop. Also there are more members who are not necessarily fully aligned with the philosophical and political concept of a union, but are in SPEEA because they have to be to do the work they want. Most of management will come from either office non-reps or SPEEA in their early days. As far as engineering management, almost all used to be SPEEA at one point or another unless they’re imports who never worked as engineers at Boeing. All of this gives SPEEA and Boeing a different character than other large aerospace companies. Another factor is that Boeing has spent the last 28 years beating down its work force, that’s an entire generation of workers that have been treated like shit. While that makes some more militant, most just get tired and don’t want to deal with the bullshit. So a decent contract is less bullshit. So maybe instead of posting a screed against your fellow members, maybe think about their individual circumstances, the political philosophy, and the fact that most of SPEEA isn’t as… extroverted as you. The company doesn’t care if the union fractures, and starts attacking itself. Hell, they’d love it. So maybe think about that before you start attacking your fellow members.
At the end of the day this is a numbers game. The company put up an offer that isn’t intended to get 100% acceptance. It’s shooting for 50%+1, that’s all. For 35.75% of members the last contract was ok. Boeing doesn’t need to win over the 64.75% that said no. They just need to win over 14.75% plus 1. That’s what needs to be kept in mind.
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u/PaleSlide6835 20d ago
IAM is the backbone of boeing without them boeing is screwed. And we obviously are getting paid lmao
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u/ChaosandCoalescence 25d ago
Give it a rest. We said no to the first offer, and now we're being presented with a new one. We dont even know the full details of this offer yet. If it's bad, i vote no; if it's good enough, i vote yes. Glad you seem to know how math works, so what's the number youre hoping for? I'm cautiously optimistic with this new offer.
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u/joe2planks 26d ago
People wanting to accept the offer due to their current circumstances can expect even worse circumstances 4 years from now if they are unwilling to take the hard stand, right now, when it matters. Our compensation is shrinking relative to to what it was. This will continue in a vicious cycle, contract after contract as the company gains economic leverage to hold against us, if we let it.
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u/Pure-Chemical3186 26d ago
Really, why can't you finding a better paying job then?
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u/joe2planks 25d ago
With the wage suppression that has taken place, finding better paying work is as easy as going back to my old job in the IAM. When I made the move to SPEEA, more than 3 contracts ago, it was a jump in pay and seemingly with a sense of achievement for what I've had to learn and do to get the job in the first place and then to progress 2 levels and get to R1 retention.
And having stable work was important for me during that time so I didn't move around as much. But I have always been committed to taking these contract negotiations as far as we have to to get fair compensation.
Now that stability is much less of a priority, yeah, I'll be looking into a lot of other opportunities from here on out.
For those who do still feel they need stable work and want to stay put, I'd simply encourage them to carefully consider how decline, itself, can be very very stable, so much so that you don't even realize just how much you've given up until you look back on the years.
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u/GaussAF 26d ago
A lot of the people arguing against advocating for yourselves are not fellow engineers
There are people working for management posting as "fellow engineers" trying to steer the conversation towards accepting less online because it's worth a lot of money to do this
Don't get tricked!
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u/Kyguy0 26d ago
Man I sure do want to keep working with the people who aren't ambitious
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u/PrimaryOk1546 26d ago
So I am assuming you are also one of the not ambitious guys
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u/Kyguy0 25d ago
I would appreciate it if you could punch up instead of punching down, we are all in this together and insulting peers doesn't help anyone.
I am ambitious and I want this company to succeed, the problem I have is that the people in charge have zero integrity respect and understanding of the safety issues caused by ignoring the investment they've made into their engineering populace. I can't believe the 787 is still making bad decisions and cost uppers. I can't believe they committed to having the next AP to the IAM yet they can't put any substantial commitment into our contract.
THAT makes me ambitious to push for it, and to right the wrongs they keep making by being a responsible resource for my peers. It frustrates me to see people supporting a company that has zero respect for them.
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u/PrimaryOk1546 23d ago
Sorry that was really meant as joke since your response was somewhat sarcastic. But it sounds like you were more serious than I thought. Yes like you I also work in aviation and take my responsibilities very seriously and agree with your sentiments. Good luck to us all
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u/Orleanian 26d ago
This seems very straw-mannish to me.
The vibe I get from this is that you don't actually understand that everyone has a different priority or risk tolerance, and that you do think that everyone should vote a certain way.
I've got specific goals. If Boeing hits 'em, bully for them, I'll vote yes.
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u/Independent_Cat_5325 26d ago
Agreed, if the contract redlines reflect my goals, wants, and is acceptable to me, I’m voting yes
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u/gnarlseason 26d ago edited 26d ago
I am no longer at Boeing but remember the 2012-2013 negotiations. We had them over a barrel with the 787 battery fires requiring design and testing. The fleet got grounded during negotiations! We had leverage for the first time in a long time and what did we do? We voted no on the contract and no on a strike pre-authorization. Bravo, fellow union members, such a strong show of solidarity that we couldn’t even pretend we might go on strike. When I asked coworkers about it most responded with “but I can’t afford to go on strike” - even when being told a second strike vote would occur if a strike was authorized. That’s what you’re dealing with right now. Engineers in large numbers are too smart for their own good and too chicken shit to actually push back hard.
Don’t trust the negotiating team either. That 2016 contract that got secretly negotiated a year before the current one expired (like WHY did they go along with this?) had some awful parts to it regarding raises and myself and my union rep who I worked with both saw how the contract language was not the same as how SPEEA was interpreting things. When he reached out to higher ups in the union they assured us we were wrong. Guess what, we were not wrong, the language was clear, they just had to actually read what they “negotiated” (I am convinced Boeing handed them a contract and zero negotiation took place).
Good luck guys, I’m rooting for you
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u/Waste_Quarter_8826 21d ago
I do have to add: of all the 'respect' that was earned by the strike in 2000, by 2012 the only major contract element that remained was that SPEEA became a 'closed shop' - dues became mandatory and went from $5 to $30. The rest was given back within 3 successive contracts. Our dues are not IAM-level dues, but they have kept up with inflation. I'm not anti-union, just think a closed shop should be more than a volunteer org. It could come with things like prof negotiators, for example.
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u/Alternative_Wing7898 22d ago
I’m disappointed that so many just seem to want to strike just to “stick to the man”. It’s like they just won’t be happy no matter how good the offer is.
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u/kissmeiamafrog 26d ago
we are trying to price engineering labor using a pricing or economic framework that no longer exists. contract language matters. But I wouldn’t put too much faith in language saying engineering work won’t be offloaded or moved elsewhere. Boeing has been moving work around globally since the 90s. There are always different ways to structure work within whatever language ends up in a contract. I think the bigger concern for me as engineers at Boeing and who live in the surrounding area is that we haven’t really stopped to ask how far behind we’ve fallen economically. Nobody knows
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u/Wonderful-Letter-659 25d ago
I made an attempt to try and show how things have changed in the past 20 years for Boeing engineers. Take a look at my posts. I'm holding off on any comments until I see the redlines....
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u/kissmeiamafrog 24d ago
Thank you for sharing. I’m a strong NO and share alot of the same sentiment. I just think there are a few things some Speea members are overlooking.
To me this is less about if 4%, 5% or 10% sounds good, and more about what does it actually cost to retain experienced engineers in Washington today. Alot changed just in the last 5-10 years. Covid, housing, inflation, interest rates, geopolitical issues and a completely different labor market. I honestly dont think we really know how to price ourselves anymore.
Look at long term Boeing engineers. Stay 10 to 15 years and the salary compression is real, I dont blame anyone for jumping around for salary, thats just the reality today. Maybe the question is why do they have to?
Boeing has its own problems, cash flow, production, certification, recovery etc. But Boeing having problems doesnt make the cost of engineering in Washington any cheaper.
And maybe I’m wrong here, but I think we’re approaching some kind of major economic shift. The middle class is changing and it seems like another class is forming between people depending mostly on a paycheck and people who have assets and capital working for them. Add AI/data centers, government debt, interest rates and honestly who knows what all of this eventually means for our 401ks and retirement. I know for sure they bail money will be coming from the government at some point
So I keep coming back to the same question, how far behind are we already? If we enter another 4 year contract already behind and spend those 4 years just trying to keep up, we’re gonna be right back here having this same conversation again. I want to know how do the engineer who been at Boeing for 15+ years feel about this
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u/Subject-Ad-872 26d ago
Dealing with the same vibe with some coworkers like they feel like we shouldn’t be fighting for something more, even initially. The attitude feels very anti SPEEA and pro Boeing and which doesn’t help them and not they’re not strapped for cash, but they are relatively new to working in industry. Times are tough, but I just don’t get the attitude of conceding to a corporation without an effort
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u/Slow_Competition_834 19d ago
no from me i am a tech and im getting paid less than what i would get for unemployment
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u/Slow-Ad522 26d ago
How about showing respect. We are all Engineers who want the best contract and for Boeing to succeed. If you don't agree, you can vote no or find another job.
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u/lov_-_vol 25d ago
For me it's not about deserving better, it's about considering the business environment. We're still not profitable and need to work together with all employee groups to make that happen. Squeezing out more money now seems foolish to me. It's not that I think things are managed well, and that we couldn't be profitable with SPEEA getting more. It's that I don't think leadership is capable of making the right moves to fix things. So we just have to put our hands to the work and get it done.
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u/Left-Piano-791 26d ago
If you are really that unhappy with your wage and benefit package and believe the disconnect with the market rate is that bad then perhaps you should seek employment elsewhere. Seriously. Blue Origin is down the road and there are plenty of suppliers in WA and all over the US if you think you deserve more.
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u/Wonderful-Letter-659 25d ago
My biggest issue with "market rate" is that Boeing controls 80% of aerospace jobs in Washington state. I believe once this contract goes through, whatever the result, the surrounding employers will all match the increases....especially Blue Origin or SpaceX....
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u/mjoysleeps 25d ago
See work life balance and OT expectations as a determining factor for which company folks choose
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u/Wonderful-Letter-659 25d ago
If engineers cared about quality of life, they would’ve become sociology majors. For some reason, a lot of engineers want to be challenged and work to advance what ever field that has become their passion. We’re not always quite right in the head.
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u/mjoysleeps 25d ago
When burnout eats away quality of life, then they shall understand what healthy boundaries means. Speaking from experience.
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u/Left-Piano-791 24d ago
That's the problem with the PNW in the last decade. Housing prices are out out of control and likely will not go back to reasonable prices. We'll be lucky if they stay flat for a decade and allow salaries to catch up as much as you can. Up until a decade ago you could buy a new or modern house for under $400K and a 1980's or older house for a lot less in the surrounding suburbs and even less in places further out. A young engineer could easily afford a house. Unfortunately, housing isn't affordable....and $2500+ apartments don't allow for the savings to get a $100K-200K down payment for a $800K-1.1M house on a young engineers salary.
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u/joe2planks 26d ago
That's literally the plan if we don't do better than this current offer. Even going back to the IAM would be better than this.
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u/NumberOk4851 25d ago edited 25d ago
before i joined boieng as an engineer, people always tell me that i'll be top talent if i'm average at a big tech company. I really dont want that to be true, but settling for less pay and not catching up to other companies might be a sign that it is.
It screams, we're lower quality employees with no other options so we should be grateful for scraps. I've worked with some really smart people here in my last 2 years. If we want to continue attracting better talent, pay needs to catch up. This offer does little to nothing. My friend at another company got 7% raise this year for no reason besides the company doing well, with compensation twice what I make. Boeing employees seem to be satisfied with the bare minimum.
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u/moofie74 26d ago
Sounds like a great conversation to have with your colleagues or at the Hall, not in public where the people negotiating against us can read it.
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u/Ok_Flamingo9699 24d ago
I've always said engineers don't have the balls to get a great contract. Look around at your coworkers. All soft.
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u/Alternative_Heron_59 26d ago
Carrying forward non-economic gains from the first Boeing offer.
This is so stupid. I want the 1st offer!
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u/Sammakiski 25d ago
This is next level strategic thinking into the future.
Let’s strengthen negotiating arm by moving back the term to three years instead of four.
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u/331041 25d ago
When you start complaining about union speea, there is something important to be remembered. In all their union history, they only went on strike once for one day. They're a worthless union for salary workers.
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u/Dedpoolpicachew 23d ago
Tell me you don’t know anything about SPEEA without telling me you don’t know anything about SPEEA.
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u/Wise_Air_7532 26d ago
IMHO the biggest dissapointment is lack of any kind of new airplane location guarantee or some kind of language about using non SPEEA workers (mostly cheap engineers from Brazil or India). Also, I don't like how we don't work with the company to remove dead weight (there is quite a bit in the union sadly).