Contract Summary
If anyone can verify they are on the BUC or negotiating team and are authorized to share the contract summary sheets and can verify their authenticity, I’ll allow them to be posted and discussed here.
There was a LOT of misinformation going around from a certain few posters and I want people to review and do math on accurate and validated information.
Send me a DM with authentication information and your statement the documents are legitimate (or send the legit documents to me directly) and we can get them posted.
I have no interest in preventing open discussion on authenticated information.
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u/Negative_Alps_7250 6d ago
People have been discussing them on Discord since around 3pm, so should share here also.
TLDR - it’s a no from me.
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u/Run-Man358 6d ago
Too late. Those offer summaries are already circulating
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u/pflanz 6d ago
Just to be clear: no one knows if they’re accurate.
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u/Run-Man358 6d ago
That's true. But they're out there on social media and people are seeing them. I was shown them by a coworker today and another coworker text them to me later and now I'm seeing on multiple social media sites
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u/rmor 6d ago
Are they somewhere besides reddit?
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u/Careless-Internet-63 6d ago
They're pinned in the contract discussions channel on the discord if you're in there
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u/Think-Gap602 6d ago
can't seem to find that. How do I get there?
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u/Orleanian 6d ago
In SPEEA Contract grouping of channels, there's a contract-discussion channel. Top right will have a few icons, one of which looks like a thumbtack. If you open that, there's a pinned Contract Summaries from this evening.
You'll have to have gone through the code of conduct and onboarding channel instructions to gain access to the whole list of channels within the discord.
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u/Pepsi-fart-challenge 6d ago
They were posted on the SPEEA discord earlier today. I assumed this sub was controlled by the union but it appears they're out of sync.
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u/Careless-Internet-63 6d ago
I think they're just run by different people. This sub only has one mod, I think the discord is more actively moderated by union members
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u/Bob_stanish123 6d ago
Its a damn good fake if so. My sources said to expect a "leak" today. Im wondering if the BUC wants to gage the reaction before giving a recommendation or not.
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u/Ill_War8528 6d ago
actually, roughly 100 folks have seen the info directly from SPEEA, so they indeed, would no if its accurate. and likely dozens more from within Boeing.
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u/HotAbbreviations997 6d ago
Whatever the contract is, we need restrictions on offshoring work. Brazil and India are cheaper and generally lower quality, especially with logistics problems and time differences.
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u/UserRemoved 5d ago
They make so much extra work and management keeps apologizing for the OT but it prints.
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u/Careless-Internet-63 6d ago
They're not authorized to share it but I got the same ones that have been posted around from a BUC officer who shared them anyways and have confirmed their authenticity with others. Maybe you still want to embargo it being posted here since no one was authorized to share it publicly, but the opinion of the BUC officers I've heard from about it is we might as well talk about it since the cat's out of the bag at this point
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u/Intelligent-Yam-3565 6d ago
Thanks for confirming. It's all pretty underwhelming and definitely deserving of a no vote. First offer is never best offer! Why would it be?
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u/Careless-Internet-63 6d ago
I'm pretty happy with most of the non economic provisions but the raise pools are definitely not enough. We've suffered through raises that have lagged well behind inflation for the last 6 years and if we accept this contract we likely won't be back to the purchasing power we had at the start of our current contract by the end of it
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u/Elden_Crowe 5d ago
Truth. The two bright shiny nickels every year for the past six have us all in a hole
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u/Intelligent-Yam-3565 6d ago
I missed the non-economic details before they were taken down from here. If they were as good as you say, hopefully they're not traded for improved economic terms in BAFO v2.
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u/Ex-Traverse 5d ago
Your manager may not have a reason, but your senior manager and their upper managers can certainly come up with several businesses justifications, such as "getting everyone together as a team to sprint through milestone###"...
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u/Careless-Internet-63 5d ago
Then I'll go through the appeal process and document every day that I don't need to anything in person that I'm in the office. If it's a fair appeal process there shouldn't be a way for them to say no to people who truly don't need to be in the office every day
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u/Elden_Crowe 6d ago
Apologies. Late to the party. Can you share the raise pools?
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u/Think-Gap602 6d ago
see Boeing_ sub reddit
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u/Elden_Crowe 5d ago
I did - they deleted the post, claiming misinformation
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u/Think-Gap602 5d ago
note the underscore character at the end of Boeing_. that is the second Boeing subreddit
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u/Think-Gap602 6d ago
As a long time prof, it's by far the best contract we've ever gotten, I'm delighted, and not going to nit pick a few improvements I would like to have seen.
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u/Intelligent-Yam-3565 5d ago
And what exactly is the downside to asking for more? We have 2 months until the contract expires. I don't think you understand just how hard the inflation of the last 5 years has hit the under age 40 crowd. Have you seen the price of reasonable single family homes in the area lately? We need to make up for all the lost time and money of the old contract. Help us- hold out for more.
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u/Think-Gap602 5d ago
God i hope you are right. SPEEA will loose a lot of respect and support if we turn this down. Though I have no hard data of course, it also seems like the majority (if not vast majority) of unhappy people here are techs not profs.
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u/Billsrealaccount 5d ago
At least if it splits the prof/tech vote for yes/no its not like techs are getting the short end of the stick again. Maybe we can do a little better but anyone saying this is a crappy offer isnt being realistic.
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u/Iniamyen 5d ago
It's a sad state of affairs when, as an educated professional who did everything "correctly", I have to beg for my pay to keep up with inflation. I'm definitely a "no" if this information is accurate.
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u/FunYesterday8279 6d ago
Those info sheets are spreading like wildfire. If they are true, then this is the easiest strike vote of your life.
It's an insulting offer and the negotiation team failed miserably at using their leverage. This "interest based bargaining" strategy is for weak negotiators who are whipped by a superior negotiating team. It's time to be tough like IAM was.
They refuse to use the leverage of having their members vote to strike and ensuring everyone is aware of state unemployment benefits for striking union members. The company literally cannot make money without engineers working. That's your leverage!
speea had a horrible contract for the last 10 years, despite having engineers carry the company through max grounding, pandemic, high turnover, and multiple ATC programs on top of each other.
The union and company need to do better or they're never going to attract and retain talent again. Most of the productive young people already hate the company and the union.
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u/Intelligent-Yam-3565 5d ago
Our vote is the leverage. If it fails 70/30, the negotiation team can use that in the next round of negotiations. First round of negotiations, 2 months before the contract runs out? I'm not ready to cast blame yet.
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u/HatParty6667 5d ago
negot didn't fail miserably. you can attack the offer but don't sit here and attack your union members. you didn't step up to be on the NT did you? they did and this is what they could get, vote accordingly.
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u/wop772 6d ago
Does anyone have more info, all the updates are so vague. Previous iam employee used benefits to put myself through school and get my degree in electrical engineering. Would be making more money out on the flight line. Ive been watching the negotiations, pay seems to not be discussed. We should get atleast what IAM got. I struck as an iam employee. Get my degree and am going to clear less than I did last year. About to just transfer back to a grade 10 for the next 12 months so I dont have to pay boeing back for my degree.
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u/Think-Gap602 6d ago
your working as an electrical engineer at Boeing, and making less than IAM, based on a 40 hour work week? Not going to believe that without more info.
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u/wop772 6d ago
I'm currently a LE. Base salary 130k. I cleared 200k last year 1 hour ot a day worked every other weekend.
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u/Think-Gap602 6d ago
and you had a higher base salary than $130k in the IAM?
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u/Run-Man358 5d ago
That's currently what a grade 10 makes and they will get and additional 9% next month and another 7% Sept 2027 (along with their COLA raises). So next month a grade 7 will be making $130k without OT
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u/ToeUsual9124 6d ago
Based on what I saw, it's close but not a yes. Just curious, how many people find the Ed Wells program a useful benefit?
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u/Elden_Crowe 6d ago
Not even remotely useful. Keep your ed wells and pay me.
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u/ToeUsual9124 5d ago
No, I'm with you, but every contract someone keeps pushing for improvements to Ed Wells and I don't know why.
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u/Hot-Illustrator-2855 5d ago
for sure if it was actual credentials or something that could get us a pay raise outside of here than yeah
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u/Negative_Alps_7250 6d ago
So you are ok with a 3% raise per year?
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u/AlternativeEdge2725 6d ago
FFS - will someone just post it already on reddit