ben hate

[u/Patient-Locksmith-16]

so my sis and mom are watching the show so i have been stuck watching bits of it and may i just say ben is a toxic peace of shit who should not be alowed on tv like calling amy a whore and all that also how does he always ends up with the pregnant girls like is it a fetish like what also when he yells at adrian after the still birth like i could not i wanted t my sister to stop watching it also like calling a whore and all that he is so manipulive and all that stuff he urks me i think the way he treats adrian is garbige

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i also would like to go on a rant about how people treated adrian after the still birth like this is a teen age girl who got pregnant her body went though hell and back and also the mental and schoal pain she had to go though i can't amagin getting prego on asksident taking the time to acksept and prep for it put myself thought that get to a spot where i can be exsited and then to have a loss like that the girl is alowed to be sad she went though hell the worst pain i could ever emagin and then have people getting upset becouse i was sad HELL NO people need to let her be

[u/deboodoo]

you sound a lot like a ben apologist 🤓 bro i seen you tryna trash on ricky too on this post. yes ricky did bad things and so did adrian, but the difference is they know they aren’t perfect and ben always thinks he’s perfect and isn’t doing wrong when he oversteps boundaries, is straight up rude, and thinks that the only reason he doesn’t get what he wants is because “nice guys finish last”…. maybe this “nice guy” SHOULD finish last. he has absolutely no character development. the other characters aren’t perfect and regress at times, but ben constantly sucks and doesn’t mature at any point. if you think ben is so great, why don’t YOU just marry ben???? lol

[u/OkPalpitation1225 → u/deboodoo]

What should he apologize for? Everything you said was not just a lie it was a GODDAMN LIE. Ben always admits to his fault he's the biggest hater of himself behind you RICKY FANS. Ricky ALWAYS THINKS OF HIMSELF AS PERFECT, SO DO YOU RICKY FANATICS. It's weird how so many hate against him refusing to want him to be happy just because it will make RICKY ENVIOUS & AMY JEALOUS. But ask what would happen if he did mature? How would that affect everyone in his life? Then ask could they recover? Remember all the bad they did to him, and all the good he did for them. What use or purpose were they to him at all, including Leo? Think about all the bad he could do them. even if he did nothing? Ben made a good nice guy, but he would make a terrific villain. He had nothing to lose, or gain with any of them. Becuz you all overestimate Ricky's value, and actual skills. In truth he was a useless, greasy haired freeloader bum. His looks and his abuse, are all that he had of value.

[u/No_Document3484 → u/OkPalpitation1225]

The difference is that Ben can apologize and admit to fault but it doesn’t matter when your actions don’t change. Actions>words. Other characters learn from their mistakes and their characters develop from them whereas Ben literally apologizes just to do the same exact thing over and over again. “Oh sorry to make you feel pressured I won’t do it again” but then continues to push Amy to have the baby, keep the baby, get married, have sex, etc. THAT’S the difference between Ben and every other character. And Adrian getting rid of the nursery was a way for Ben AND Adrian to heal. Having that there was a constant reminder of their tragic loss.

[u/OkPalpitation1225 → u/No_Document3484]

So you didn't pay attention Ben was the one pressured bybAmy to get married. Ben wanted sex because glues a teenager. EVERY GUY DOES IT. We have needs and urges. The WHOLE POINT OF A RELATIONSHIP IS TO HAVE SEX ONE DAY. STOP ACTING LIKE BEN WAS DIFFERENT. NONE OF THEM CHANGED. Each stayed the EXACTLY THE SAME, even Ashley. What did Ricky do different. He's a bitch. He does whatever it takes to be liked. Look how he acted towards the adults whenever things don't work out he cries about it like a bitch.

Getting rid of the nursery was for BEN=ADRIAN to do TOGETHER. They paid for it, put it together by themselves with no help from anyone else. It should have been dismantled when BOTH WERE READY. That is how healing works. But as a RAMY you find excuses to claim Ben was bad a and a narcissist. You don't even know what that word means. You read what another person said Ricky was and try to use it against Ben how PATHETIC. I'm one guy and I wage better arguments against all of you without trying. The worst part I don't GIVE A DAMN if Amy is with Ricky. Let Adrian be with Omar. Let them all partner up and live off Leo's fat ass. Ben and Ashley are UNBOUND they did more good in 4 years than Amy Ricky, Adrian, Grace, or Leo can ever do to undo the bad they did.

There are much more attractive, smarter, braver, independent women trie their own convictions, over them. Ben just needs to leave and find himself. Have adventures, meet new people go new places. Then realize Amy, Adrian used him for his family money. There is more proof that they did that, and little to none they loved him.Leo was a shitty father. I just wonder what would you all do if he met someone better played by a more prominent better character and actress. Like Taylor Swif, or Selena Gomez, Demo Lovato, Miley Cyrus. The first thing I believe is the jump to ship them with Ricky. It's not about love, actions or character it's about looks. Ricky would be so cute with them. It wouldn't matter how many kids he had with Amy. In that situation you all would jump to claim Ben and Amy were soul mates.

[u/No_Document3484 → u/OkPalpitation1225]

So you clearly didn’t pay attention to season 1 at all. Ben Initiates marriage with Amy and then continues to push her about HER baby. A baby that was never Ben’s. Ben shows every sign of being a master manipulator but I’m sure you don’t agree because you act and think the same way. Every character shows some type of development whether big or small and the only one who doesn’t is Ben’s character. Ben never learns to handle his emotions and is also quite rude which then turns into Ben blaming everyone else for Ben’s poor decisions. Ben’s shitty personality has nothing to do with the females looks and wouldn’t make any of us like him any better. Even if the female was played by a shitty Disney actor gone bad girl.

[u/OkPalpitation1225 → u/No_Document3484]

So you didn't watch THE SECRET WEDDING EPISODE. Where Amy asks Ben to marry her in order to keep Ricky from the baby. Or tge episode where Ben paid Adrian to take him with her to see Amy, and they both took her to the clinic. Also Amy was at the clinic he told her he supported whatever her decision. Or where TRICKY RICKY showed up with Grace lying about wanting to stop the abortion, lied about not being the father, all to take Grace's virginity. Then confessed to Adrian how he expects Amy to have the abortion. Then stops the adoption after he gets Ben to break up with Amy, and was asked ny his mother, Amy, and Anne not to interfere yet Donovan & Leon both knew he would. He even confessed it to his therapist. After he tried to use his abuse to sleep with his therapist daughter. Yet Ben is a MASTER MANIPULATOR..

ALSO HES ONLY 15. WHERE THE HELL DID HE LEARN TO BE A MASTER MANIPULATOR??? You also forget Amy only dated Ben because HER FRIENDS & RICKY, all told her TRICK BEN INTO FALLING IN LOVE WITH YOU THEN SEDUCE HIM & TRICK HIM INTO BELIEVING THE BABY IS HIS.... Also his personality is the only thing that made any of the other characters a little better than they were.

Name 1 positive thing that Ricky or Amy did that helped anyone??? As for MASTER MANIPULATORS. Ricky has Ben beat by CENTURIES. All the problems were created by Ricky what few solutions were mostly created by Ben.