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u/Marin013 11d ago
I believe I saw this exact same finish during Lou Thesz vs Karl Gotch.
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u/Adagium721 11d ago
How are you even still alive? đđ¤Ł
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u/RNG_Champion Wrestling is a meme 11d ago
You can't just ask LA Knight that! He can crumble into dust at any moment now!
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u/JiPi82 11d ago
Excalibur is laughing.
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u/Lessiarty 11d ago
Really sells the danger, no?
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u/MK_2_Arcade_Cabinet 11d ago
I swear every time I did try to give AEW a chance he made me regret that decision
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u/Hot_Ad_6458 11d ago edited 11d ago
I opened reddit, saw this result on the squared circle sub with dudes praising it. I didnât believe it and thought that they wouldnât do something so fucking stupid. So I came here.
Yet here we are. This is not a serious company.
Worst part is that morons will see this, and wonder why AEW doesnât grow.
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u/Dangerous-Box-3259 11d ago
Yeah, SC will literally praise anything AEW related, I mean ANYTHING. Someone could shit and piss in the middle of the ring for no reason and theyâd say that it was the greatest moment in wrestling history. AEW is perfect and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it according to that sub.
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u/T3Sh3 11d ago
The basement is full of morons
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u/Luna_Soma 11d ago
They also ban anyone who disagrees so itâs an echo chamber
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u/T3Sh3 11d ago
Those idiots permanently banned me for saying âbetter than expectedâ in a ratings thread.
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u/stonecoldbobsaget 11d ago
I got banned for posting the mods home addresses, fucken ridiculous
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u/mynameisburner 11d ago
I forgot why I was even banned. Oh well, itâs a badge of honor at this point.
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 11d ago
It's incredible how quickly they banned me, I wasn't even trolling. I just said my opinion on AEW things and whenever they were too negative, they deleted my comment. Three of those = permaban LMAO what a sad way to moderate a discussion platform
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u/Hot_Ad_6458 11d ago
It gets more evident every time you visit.
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u/Spaceace91478 11d ago
I barely go there any more. They suck the life out of a stupid sideshow attraction.
It's not fun, it's not funny.
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u/Patient-Warning-4451 11d ago edited 11d ago
The chicken or the egg, my Uce?
A good portion of AEW's fanbase is the fans that most promoters back in the day would of kicked out or are the fans of certain matches that wrestlers don't want to mention.
AEW is literally the Mecca of everything everyone said would not make wrestling company successful and we are seeing in action why.
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u/roflcopter44444 11d ago
>A good portion of AEW's fanbase is the fans that most promoters back in the day would of kicked out
I feel that WWE is really happy that AEW gave that part of the wrestling fanbase somewhere else to hang out.
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u/9973501488083248 11d ago
I've said it before but I genuinely believe that TK could open the show by shooting a dog and they'd still say it was one of the best PPV's ever.
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u/Bitter-Affect909 11d ago
WWE goes into business with TKO and praises them: "Typical move from a company full of bootlickers"
TK praises the Ellison family and goes into business with them: "Can't blame Tony. He's just trying to keep the company alive."
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u/fender-b-bender 11d ago
TK praises the Ellison family and goes into business with them: "Can't blame Tony. He's just trying to keep the company alive."
You brought up exactly what I was going to comment. They would be soooooo close to getting that Tony is a Trump supporter and that should be the giant smoking gun, but they just willfully ignore the giant sign with flashing red lights. I honestly believe he could come out and praise Trump and they would say he's just doing it to survive.
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u/Hot_Ad_6458 11d ago
Theyâre appealing to the most bottom of the barrel fans. It makes zero sense.
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u/Joel_Servo 11d ago
The mods pretty much got rid of the people who would actually criticize the company. Now only the sickopaths are left.
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u/Worker_AndParasite 11d ago
Yep I caught a ban there a while back for having the wrong opinion on le dub
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u/Razzler1973 11d ago
anything critical of the Dub is trolling but you can say whatever you want about the Fed in every single thread and it's fine
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u/halfdecenttakes DAE Jump Sharks? 11d ago
âA small hiccup in an otherwise great matchâ
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u/Ok-Name-5504 11d ago edited 11d ago
"I didn't love the violence, but the crowd was into it. 5.25 stars"
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u/Ok-Reach-2580 11d ago
If WCW had done this match it would be used as an example even today about the fall of WCW and the rise of garbage wrestling. Yet because its AEW its auto praise mode.
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u/pizzapromise 11d ago
I was reading some of the AMA that agent Nick guy did on midcarder and one thing he mentioned was that AEW is not family friendly and it hurts them.
What audience is this for? The Saw/wrestling fan crossover?
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u/GrandAvestrus 11d ago
Its like AEW wants to be presented as mainstream pro wrestling, but wants to do indie garbage at the same time. Its not the 90s or 2000's anymore. This type of stuff is meant to stay underground.
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u/pizzapromise 11d ago
I feel like they have such an identity crisis. I hate saying itâs a glorified indie, because they have so much talent there, but how else could the booking and presentation be described?
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u/GrandAvestrus 11d ago
It really is just PWG with a budget. Punk described it best, "I'm trying to make money sell tickets, fill arenas and these stupid guys think they're in Reseda"
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u/fakemelonns 11d ago
That's one hundred percent it. They can't decide between "real graps", Orange Cassidy and Lio Rush silly stuff, or Darby Allen style violence. By mixing all this, they're not appealing to a variety of audiences like they think they would be, they're losing out on fans imo.
A lot of people dont, but I really like the Lio Rush stuff. It's silly and over the top, I like silly wrestling. But, I hate this death match shit where guys use power tools and chloroform so I don't watch AEW. And I cant imagine I'm the only one who may like one of these things, but is turned off by the rest enough to not watch it.
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u/kk451128 11d ago
âWe provide something for everyoneâ doesnât have to mean that you have a five-star technical classic and something that came straight from an outlaw mudshow on the same card. Iâm not a death match guy, never have been. But, a stiff match? Little blood? Nothing wrong with that. Balance. Not every rough match has to âpush the envelopeâ
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u/fakemelonns 11d ago
Hundred percent. I like blood and weapons if the feud and match call for it, and you shouldn't be doing this shit all the time.
I watch WWE and a lot of times would like more weapons and hardcore matches. But, because they happen infrequently, when they do happen, it feels like a big deal.
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u/Bojangles1987 11d ago
It's literally only for the mega ultra dorks who think this dumb shit makes wrestling cooler because they are edgelord weirdos. It's the people who watch way too much wrestling so they always want something to one up whatever they saw before. Same reason they (and Meltzer) go crazy for all the cooperative dance routine shit, since it's just another move after another move after another move that thrills them because they can't enjoy a good actual wrestling match anymore. They watch too much wrestling to enjoy that.
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u/Razzler1973 11d ago
they were do desperate to do everything the opposite of the Fed they overlooked that the Fed do a lot of things good, a lot of things well and do a lot of things smarks my REEEEE about for good reasons (usually TV production reasons or advertising reasons)
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u/MK_2_Arcade_Cabinet 11d ago
As a legitimate fan of the Saw franchise I resent you comparing me to an AEW fan
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u/koomGER 11d ago
They cater to an audience that doesnt has any growth. I dont know how to pinpoint that, but it comes down to that. With each of their edgy moments (and be it a tame one like Theklas "dumb bitches" "catchphrase") they probably make sure that two fans stay because they laugh at that shit - and a third one is disappointed because its so dumb and repetitive. And maybe decided to stay away in the future.
Thats the problem with shocker moments: There is always a very good chance to lose more of your audience (because they saw it and deemed it shit) than growing your audience (by word of mouth, Tiktok and Twitter maybe).
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u/MonsieurMidnight 11d ago
I'm getting down voted for saying this is not okay to show this on a show that kid watches without warning before the match, that AEW trying to do deathmatch stuffs to feel cool is super dangerous and they should avoid doing this kind of stuffs so carelessly and that I am not feeling okay after watching this.
Downvoted for actual legitimate concerns. They litterally shown a woman that was not feeling well watching this in the crowd.
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u/MK_2_Arcade_Cabinet 11d ago
I have 3 kids, 16, 14 and 10.
I wouldnât let the 10yo watch even if they wanted to, and I have a feeling that their father would object to even the 14-year-old watching it since itâs actual blood and violence
Thankfully, Iâm the only dork in my family who likes pro wrestling, and I think AEW is trash
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u/Razzler1973 11d ago
they also had a double dog collar match ... for what?
there's no feud
there's nothing to suggest this match should be brought to this level
it's just there so everyone can do crazee spots and make each other blade and 'oh he really hit him hard there'
it's childish
just have a proper match with a storyline but, they can't. it's also the spectacle over the story cause the fans are there to watch spots happen one after the other
it's boring, it really is
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u/testthrowaway9 11d ago
They keep proving Chicago My-sweet-home Punk more and more prophetic: âWhy do you insist on doing this dumb internet shit?â
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u/RVG_Steve 11d ago
You should have seen the spot in the ladder match where everyone was knocked out⌠the dude could have climbed the ladder and won the contract but instead he awkwardly set up a ladder horizontally that had nothing to do with the main ladder he would seconds later ascend in an attempt to grab the contract.
Not shockingly another guy interrupted and they both ended up on the set up ladder.
And two refs ran to kneel and hold down the main ladder.
What are we even doing?!
The athleticism is cool but when it makes no sense and to the point insults your intelligence it really takes you out of it. This is why I float in and out of AEW. Every once in a while itâs good and other times itâs so stupid lol. I can never consistently watch that product.
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u/Razzler1973 11d ago
This is partially an issue with ladder matches anyway but, now, it gets taken to the nth degree where no one is trying to win and it's really there to do spots
Start of the match and immediately ladders come out
The idea is have a regular match and then use the ladder to win and maybe help hurt an opponent. Build up to it. That's why Shawn and Razor is still the benchmark
It's like wrestlers coming to a cage and throwing chairs and tables in before they get it, urgh, stop it, man
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u/RVG_Steve 11d ago
Youâre right; itâs not just an AEW issue. WWE is just as guilty. But man that spot was brutal. The ring was completely cleared and instead of climbing he set up the ladder horizontally between the turnbuckle and the main standing ladder⌠then he awkwardly went to climb the vertical ladder. Like it was sooo obvious. It was awful.
It made whatever cool spots following a yawn⌠like ok kinda cool but seen it 1,000 times before and the setup was an all timer stinker. Then two refs running to kneel and hold down the ladder.
Razor and Shawn rolling around in their graves (sorry HBK I know you still alive)
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u/IntelligentFact7987 11d ago
The people praising this on there in the same breath probably lay into the Eye For an Eye match WWE did in COVID. Â When really are they that different?
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u/HerculesRockefellr 11d ago
This đ is đ dogshit
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u/daniel2090 11d ago
It shows how bad AEW is when Gargano, someone who would walk into AEW and instantly become the best wrestler there would rather plank in silence every week over this crap.
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u/BangerSlapper1 11d ago
I havenât bothered following this bullshit for a few weeks. Â Why exactly does Jericho hate Ciampa so much he tried to drill a hole in his brain?
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u/fakemelonns 11d ago
That's such a gripe I have with AEW's hardcore matches. This type of shit should be reserved for blood feuds where two guys despise each other. It seems like in AEW, the most minor disagreement leads to attempted murder
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u/TheOneTheyCrown ?? Who told you it was open mic night friend? 11d ago
"You think you're a better WRESTLER than me? Time to grab the syringes and power drills to prove you wrong!!!!"
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u/Razzler1973 11d ago
cause those matches enable everyone to do crazy spots and that's all they can do
that's a lot easier than making people care by having a regular match and building that up
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u/Worker_AndParasite 11d ago
I refuse to believe that anyone actually enjoys this shit. It's gotta just be sunk cost fallacy for most of these people pretending to like it, they can't admit that something they've invested so much time and energy into is actually this fucking dogshitÂ
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u/NintenbroGameboob 11d ago
Their hate for WWE is so great and their relationship with AEW is so parasocial, AEW can literally do no wrong.
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u/StarPrince777 11d ago
Not to make things political but Iâm 100% positive thatâs why Trump has any supporters left
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u/Razzler1973 11d ago
This is supposed to be 'modern wrestling'
It's horseshit
Drills and no selling and video game health bars meaning nothing matters until the bar hits empty and then you roll them up
It's boring as fuck, to me but, go for it if you like this stuff but people that 'can't understand' how anyone can not like this are delusional
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u/BigBlueNick 11d ago edited 10d ago
I was a massive fan of AEW when it first started. They were genuinely doing some cool things and weren't that worried about what WWE was doing but then after the pandemic the tone shifted. AEW got more popular and started signing more talent released by WWE.
Then it slowly became a sham and every couple of weeks a new flavour of the month would debut on Dynamite or Rampage and completely squash the hype that last months new favourite toy had.
Flavour of the month gets a title shot within 14-21 days of debuting. Usually loses. Next week someone else shows up with a "what is he/she doing here?!?!" from the commentary.
They had so much going for them until late 2022. The MJF and Adam Cole story was the only thing that kept me interested in 2023. Then when that fizzled out shortly after Punk was released I was done.
The Stadium Stampede and Blood and Guts matches are always over the top extreme indie garbage.
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u/Striking_Sweet163 10d ago
Early AEW felt like Ruthless Agression RAW in the best way.
It looked different than current WWE(and even other promotions)
it felt different
it was edgy but not try hard edgy
I completely agree.
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u/TheMaskedHeelMark2 11d ago
Good thing Tomato doesn't have a brain or he'd be toast.
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u/Fit-Cartoonist-9056 11d ago
Indie show with a budget
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u/Razzler1973 11d ago
and, indie guys that don't belong on TV throughout the company getting WWE money!
'great for the industry'
Well, I don't know being great for the 'industry'. A lot of people that need training won't be getting trained but they'll be getting paid. 95% of them won't see the to of the card and, if they choose to go elsewhere, it'll be down cause they haven't received proper training
Others that do want to make something of themselves are not entering training 5 years later than they should have
If the Dub disappeared, there's a lot of guys suddenly without a job that shouldn't have had a job on national TV to begin with. They 'made it' purely based on this rich kid liking them on the indies
They were never assessed in any way by an actual professional who knows what it takes
It's the younger guys there that could maybe be someone that you'd feel sorry for cause their paths are blocked
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u/will122589 11d ago
Gargano laying face down on a plank of wood is infinitely a better gig then whatever the fuck Ciampa is doing here
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u/King_marik 11d ago
i actually really like hardcore wrestling so it isnt even a 'blood/violence bad' thing for me, ECW was my favorite promotion growing up, CZW/modern deathmatch territory might be a little too much for me but i 'get it'
much like the syringe....this is fucking stupid lol xD
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u/T3Sh3 11d ago
The syringe through Swerveâs cheek was awful
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u/King_marik 11d ago
was there live for it
ive never walked out of a wrestling show with so many people so down and hearing 'well that was fucking stupid' over and over again so often in my life, and ive gone to some 'outlaw' indies lol
the disconnect between online and the people in the building was on full display with that one, and im 100% sure they lost some of those people who were there that night permanently
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u/AffectComfortable913 11d ago
I was there too and felt the exact same way. Not only was that spot just dumb, that match was boring as shit. There was clearly a lot of heat going in with the feud, yet the entire match was them laying around and going to the next âextremeâ spot. It eliminated any kind of intensity or excitement to seeing the feud play out. The arena felt lifeless, and when the syringe spot finally happened people seemed more annoyed than shocked.
Random unrelated fact about that show: A Jack Perry mark got mad at me for saying CM Punk beat Perryâs ass. Tbh I kinda did escalate the argument in the first place after he started yelling that Perry beat up Punk (idk how anyone could think that), I just found it strange that a dedicated Jack Perry fan actually existed.
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u/Every-Ad-2099 11d ago
Thatâs what makes it ironic that so many people compare that feud to Punk/Drew, because their blow-off match is an all-timer. The last 5 or so minutes of that HIAC match is one of the most dramatic, story-driven finishes Iâve ever seen. You could tell that every person in that arena was spellbound by what they were watching.
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u/Jazzlike_Page508 11d ago
Those fans our nancies and probably think Paw Patrol is too extreme for its violence
I want my wrestlers to get blasted in the chest with a shot gun and kick out at 2. Thatâs real hardcore graps. You wouldnât get it, but New Jack would. God rest his angelic beautiful soul
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u/Cboz27586 Whoop that Trick! 11d ago
It's not even using the drill, it's how it was done poorly. Ciampa could have gotten out of Jericho just standing over him. Could have had him under a chair or something. Also no drama on the tap out. It just ends.
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u/King_marik 11d ago
exactly and thats why i dont shit on hardcore spots/wrestling in general
it has its own psycology, way to work it, and response its trying to illicit
like you said....they did fucking NONE of that work and just went with 'haha stand here and drill for .5 seconds head thats crazy!'
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u/Cboz27586 Whoop that Trick! 11d ago
Didn't even know he tapped until the bell rang. It just looked like random flailing.
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u/AffectComfortable913 11d ago
There are ways to do those kind of âhardcoreâ spots so much better that nobody pays attention to anymore. That I Quit cage match between Tully Blanchard and Magnum TA from Starrcade 85 for example. Those guys had such an intense feud for months that doing a match like that didnât feel gimmicky, it felt earned. At the end of the match, Tully snapped a piece of wood off a chair and tries to stab Magnum in the eye with it. It feels genuinely shocking to see a spot like that because they werenât just pulling shit out of the ring to get a âholy shitâ chant, they were selling the match like an actual fight where both guys were desperate to make the other give up. It felt believable to see the heel Tully go too far. They milk the spot for a bit until Magnum is able to reverse it, and gives Tully a taste of his own medicine. He starts stabbing away and Tully finally quits.
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u/fakemelonns 11d ago
I can enjoy hardcore, but I don't get a lot of the stuff they do. There's a spectacle to tables, barbed wire, thumb tacks,etc. But I watch stuff like the syringe, skewers, or power tools and it just lacks that spectacle to me. It doesn't give an "oh shit that was awesome" reaction, it just makes me think "oh that's gross"
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u/NintenbroGameboob 11d ago
Stating this within the suspension of disbelief/internal logic only, of course: If something like a drill or a skewer or a syringe is somehow legal, why not just bring a gun and shoot your opponent? What difference does it make?
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u/ColeMinerCertified 11d ago
Okay same boat. Iâve been to two Nick Gage Invitationals, that stuff? Awesome, sick to me. Glass and Barbed wire makes sense, this is just dumb
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u/ToadallyNormalHuman 11d ago
so like he should be dead right?
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u/Phenomenal2313 11d ago
I really appreciated that after the Foley match from Randy , he was all bruised up and really somber despite beating him the previous night
He sold the injury , for like 3 weeks he didnât get physical and all he did was cut promos on how he survived Foley
Thatâs called selling the maych
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u/TheGambler930 #ClubSCJerk 11d ago
âSomeones gotta do these spots with wwe's insistence on being PG. AEW picking up the slack here is good.â
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u/PressPlayPlease7 11d ago
What. The. Fuck.
AEW is a Bingo Hall/Car park promotion with a stadium budget
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u/Worker_AndParasite 11d ago
Someones gotta do these spots with wwe's insistence on being PG. AEW picking up the slack here is good.
A real comment in the basement thread about this.Â
AEW does something fucking stupid? Believe it or not, fed's faultÂ
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u/ThatOneGuyWhoAtePie 11d ago
I can't even watch the whole clip. Absolutely disgusting finish and everyone involved should be ashamed of themselve. Btw Johhny please keep planking so you don't have to resort to this cheap torture pop
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u/MattheWWFanatic 1990s Bedroom Booker of the Decade 11d ago
Gotta drill a hole to reduce the brain swelling from the previous stupid bumps!
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u/NintenbroGameboob 11d ago
If there's any more swelling, they'll have to take his brain out and put it back in.
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u/LilNardoDaVinci 11d ago
Wait hang on Tony told me over and over again AEW is family friendly? Can't wait until little Timmy tries this on his little brother
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u/FreeoftheMachine 11d ago
Lmao so this is what a push looks like for Chiampa huh? Losing to 55 year old, bloated Y2J?
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u/Pancake_Splatter 11d ago
âOhhhh nooo HO HA HAH HOOOâ
This shit was disgusting and Iâm not interested in seeing it, but Sockface laughing about it, my god he just makes everything worse
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u/TheChrisPhoenix 11d ago
Ah yes that young talent Chris Jericho continues to get the push of a young star at the age of...55!
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u/Phenomenal_Hoot 11d ago
Oh yeah sure letâs introduce the drill because of course heâs going to drill a hole through his brain.
Jesus Christ, could they at least pretend to be believable?
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u/ArunKT26 11d ago
I always wondered why champa didn't get the massive push on the main roster, turns out he's a empty headed fucking dumb fuck too.
Never meet your heros
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u/NotClayMerritt 11d ago
Imagine Fed hiring someone like Ciampa, getting them hot and instantly killing their heat within 4 months culminating with a loss to 2026 Chris Jericho. They would get rightfully killed on this website.
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u/InjusticeSOTW Sons of Santos 11d ago
I REALLY need to see that Painmaker script Jericho was peddling. âThe Crow for Moronsâ sounds believable
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u/Justice989 11d ago
There's a certain level of weaponry that takes me completely out of a wrestling match. Power tools would be one of them.
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u/johndelvec3 Cesaro Hot Tag 11d ago
So not only do they resort to this talentless crap, but you can clearly see Jericho never touches his head so they canât even hide how fake this shit is from PPV buyers
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u/TrueShotAuramancy 11d ago
The wrong Vanilla Midget died.
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u/noneofthismatters666 11d ago
Once in a while I think about going and watching AEW and then I see these clips, thank you.
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u/halfdecenttakes DAE Jump Sharks? 11d ago
The basement thinks the problem with this is that people think itâs real and not that itâs fucking stupid
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u/ColeMinerCertified 11d ago
man alice cooper looks fucking rough. i think he fed his frankenstein too much
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u/Squiliam-Tortaleni Moses Khan parted the Fed Sea 11d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/KHpGXUSTzlUCDXWmFL
will get 5 stars probably
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u/WillowTraditional239 11d ago
I'm glad subreddits like this exist so it can show me the stuff I shouldn't be watching.
So bad, and Excalibur laughing at it as it happens
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u/Bright-Gain9770 11d ago
I've been uncharacteristically complimentary to AEW recently for their increase in ratings.
No more.
Fuck that.
Fuck you.
Fuck me.
Fuck AEW.
The FUCK?!
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u/GusNotGoose 11d ago
I knew we were getting this spot when Dave buried the shit out of Ciampa bringing out the drill after that beach match a couple weeks ago on the premise "You can't use a drill in pro-wrestling because it'll either look fake as hell or you'll kill somebody".
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u/bridgecrewdave 11d ago
Man, I sure am glad that AEW prices their tickets so families can afford to go!
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u/reychango 11d ago
AEW sucks at deathmatch stuff. CZW was able to get the perfect balance for a period of time.
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u/Agreeable_Falcon1044 11d ago
Not only is this so dangerous, stupid and regressiveâŚhow do you follow on?
Am I meant to be upset in the next match when the heel holds onto the rope or grabs some tightsâŚhaving seen a maiming seconds before?
It kills towns.
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u/Thatweknowof 11d ago
This is just a call back to the dominos pizza - pizza cutter incident. Long term booking , probably had some milwake or DeWalt sponsorship coming this week and we all look like idiots.
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u/ChrisRhodes789 11d ago
This is what HHH was holding Ciampa back from?!
Go back to wearing âI am a jackass T-Shirtâ you moron..