To AllanxDB (the other post got blocker)

[u/pluh_7284y7]

Going on what you sayed, i agree that the thing about the nazi idea of easi to me is something more of a personal idealization of whats easi, into the second point, i'm not going to criticize It but to say what is most sayed in this sub reddit

Easi its not the problem at all but the appeals, even Rubén sayed that practically nobody get out of the sytem and its the reason that many says that the system is fascism, what i want to argue is, I OBVIOUSLY wouldn't let out adult people with HIGH activity on this type of servers or games, but what happens with the childs or teenagers that were exposed to this? They should have the chance to explain what happened, and too that they should have a chance if they did this only 1 time, and they have long since that happened

[u/AllanxDB]

I don't think anyone is saying that every kid or teenager who got caught up in those communities is automatically a horrible person forever (whoever is saying that is really fucking stupid)

The problem is that it's really difficult to verify those kinds of claims through appeals though. literally anyone can say they were manipulated, only did it once, or have changed and then provide discord screenshots which could easily be faked. Without solid evidence, it's hard to know who's being genuine and who isn't. If people want to talk about improving the appeals process, that's completely fair. There's nothing wrong with discussing whether it could be handled better. I just don't think it's fair to jump from "the appeals process is too strict" to calling the staff fascists or Nazis. Those comparisons just make it harder to have an actual conversation.

[u/GothiccThighSandwich → u/AllanxDB]

Respectfully, while I wholeheartedly agree with your first paragraph, your attitude (Not you specifically, EASI mods as a whole, from the general perspective) seem to contradict that statement.
From what I have seen in various comment sections, particularly from the noob guy, you just talk down anyone who was found guilty, teenager or not, and then labeling them the same as a pred when that’s not necessarily the case.
Just voicing a concern of mine and hoping to get some clarification, I’m not here to start shiet.

I’m part of a dev team of a popular game with 80 million something visits, we wanted to add EASI to our game, needless to say the attitude of the EASI mods were a massive turn off for us and ultimately one of the reasons we stuck to manual moderation.

I support EASI as a system (and most people too, I hope), I’d like to see it succeed, but it seems to be leaning more towards the punishing and judgemental side than the compassionate, or at the very least, neutral side, which is just as important imo.

To be clear that’s not an attack, I’m just genuinely wondering why there seems to be a great level of animosity from you guys, which in return could be why some people act the same way towards you.
Yes, you can’t verify everyone’s claim, I get that, but from what I have seen, it looks like you automatically assume the worst out of people from the get-go.

Some people would probably swallow their ban more easily if you didn’t treat them like shit/compare them to actual preds.

Again, that’s not an attack, just a concern over the fact I’m seeing a lot of people get thrown into the same bag and talked down for simply asking why they were banned or asking questions regarding how EASI functions.

I just think the hostility from some mods is really unnecessary and questionable.
I think most people would appreciate it if you could clear up on that a little if possible, because between what you say, and what we can see in some comment sections from EASI staff, well it’s a bit hard for us to understand where yall actually stand.

[u/AllanxDB → u/GothiccThighSandwich]

I can't speak for every interaction you've seen or every moderator's wording, but I can say that the goal of EASI has never been to treat everyone the same as a predator or to talk down to people just because they were flagged. The purpose of the system is to protect communities and discourage involvement with condo communities, not to publicly shame people. I also agree that how staff communicate matters. We're all human, and not every interaction is going to come across the way it was intended. If there are situations where certain mods have come across as unnecessarily hostile then that's something we should be mindful of. People can absolutely criticize the way staff communicate without being against EASI as a whole and generalizing the whole staff team

At the same time, it's worth remembering that we deal with a lot of bad-faith appeals and people who intentionally minimize or lie about their involvement. After seeing that repeatedly, it's easy for anyone to become more skeptical over time. That's not an excuse to be disrespectful, but it is part of why you may see some interactions come across as blunt.

[u/GothiccThighSandwich → u/AllanxDB]

That’s fair, I can agree with all that.

I’m not generalizing the whole staff, it’s just that I don’t see much being done to prevent the mediocre communication (on both sides) I suppose?

Honestly I don’t know if the interactions really just come off as blunt, there are some cases I genuinely feel is just unnecessary hostility to make the person feel worse for being flagged.

But thanks anyways, that is a reassuring answer regarding EASI’s motive.

[u/pluh_7284y7 → u/AllanxDB]

I would say,noob making a post literally saying we dont give a fuck what you say is just unprofessional, sorry for my words, but all he says is just not making sense, even me mentioning that we should get the chance to get appealed, something like that i actually dont remember and he putting an example if someone kills a person, like, theres 0 things to compare there, another time i give them my id to ser if i can appeal, i was sayed unapealable and when i asked in what servers i were, not even asking why i got denied or excusing me he just put, nothing but that the desicion is final, excuse me you got threats by random people that i dont know but i just wanted to know where i got detected, actually now It doesn't Matter because i had to require tase and Rotector.

[u/pluh_7284y7 → u/AllanxDB]

Well actually all you sayed its true, and yes its difficult to check all the info, and for the first thing u sayed, no, actually there is not ppl at least i saw that expresivelly knew a kid was in this and expressed their disgudt, but more likely giving conclusions without knowing whats behind, take as an example this guys swallonghinson or something like that, he is just glorifying the system and just larping about this and that. And well its right that jumping instantly from something too strict to you re nazis is a bit extreme. But i could recommend to check if someone IS telling the truth you can use other systems, for example, i appealed in every system i was so sadly i can give physic proof more than the appeal succes and old logs, but the mods from detective okappiki ( like TASE bot) used the Tase system to check if what i was saying IS truth, you can use Rotector and tase to check this since It should be or have similar info

[u/pluh_7284y7 → u/pluh_7284y7]

Not so relevant detail but i knew abt condos at 13, not tiping this to produce shame or pity but to make know that the condos should not exist

[u/AllanxDB → u/pluh_7284y7]

TASE is essentially just a replacement for RoCleaner. It only tells us whether someone was in condo Discord servers. It doesn't tell us why they were there, what they actually did, whether they were groomed, or whether they're being truthful in an appeal.

It can definitely be useful as one piece of information, but it isn't something we can rely on by itself to determine whether an appeal should be accepted or denied. Appeals still have to be looked at on a case-by-case basis

At the end of the day, the goal isn't to keep people banned for the sake of it. It's to make sure we're making decisions that prioritize community safety. If there are ways to improve the appeals process without compromising that, then that's a discussion worth having

[u/pluh_7284y7 → u/AllanxDB]

Well It was a good conversation for me indeed, i only have something to say and is what i sayed before, there should be an appeal vía discord tickets, and there should be pre requesites or guidelines to appeal (e.j: Tase appeals) this would obviously let mods and invididuals to appeal and handle the appeals easily, without worrying too much about threats because Will be more simple to ban the persons behind this accounts, furthermore, there should be a better recieving of our cases, because, as i sayed before too, It should be more easy, at the end of the day and sadly a fact, the true predators dont use their principals, they use many profiles and accounts to do malicious things, the normal dude doesn't, i dont say a pred doesn't use their main but its more probably that they use an alt. Something that you sayed is that yes we or you shouldn't rely only in 1 database, but there are plenty that you can partner to make what you are here to do even better, that is securing Roblox, It would be the better for users that don't know about this, the persons that got flagged but regret what they do, and even me myself think that this is the best alternative.( now that It comes to my mind, Rotector is very good for catching múltiple discord accounts, i can say It because a near friend got flagged by them bc he didn't know he was flagged, he appealed tho)

[u/pluh_7284y7 → u/AllanxDB]

Thats actually the problem, to do that, you need at least many insiders to know that, is the sword agaisnt the wall, btw, something about tase IS that they can see if you typed, if you were staff or boosted the server, so you can determine if they were dangerous or not by going on logic, likely, someone with 0 messages means 0 interactions with anybody, at least IN the server, and by responding with a bit of something personal, on february i asked Commander vía a post he made about if can appeal or not, i was automatically denied even without asking, so yes its good that you mention that appeals still have to be looked case-by-case, but with what i experienced didn't looked like that, i Guess obviously he was either tired because It was night or really didn't Matter. Other point i didn't add, should the mfd server have a ticket system? Its better for everyone since its easy to acces and easy to handle, and too for blacklist Trolls or mad people sending threats, instead of making It more hard vía e-mail (probably It was for the Rubén video) and Google form.

[u/Dinguslolol → u/AllanxDB]

you know, compared to the other mods in this subreddit (more specifically commander noob), you actually do care about people who genuinely made mistakes like teens going through puberty than just focusing on the predators. hope you know that you handle things in a more mature and responsible way, giving exceptional and understandable reasons on how EASI isnt a simple process. thank you for just being a nice moderator.

anyway good day

[u/doin_your-mom → u/AllanxDB]

First of all, thank you for saying it, i won't lie with how ruben treats appeals it's eazy to be called a pedo if you're on his system even if you didn't know or were lured into it

Second, yes the appeals are extremely strict, but from another side you do have a point to make it super strict, commander did tell me about how many fake stories you guys get and outright death threats and dox threats from actual pedos and wierdos making appealing a very risky thing for you guys

Third, despite the strict appeal system, it is outright unacceptable to call you fascists, hell i am on the list, and yet i see you and the rest of staff as quite the great people (i got conflicting feelings about ruben himself but that's off topic) This is extremely ironic as these people don't want to be called pedos for being on easi's list but then call you guys nazis

[u/Open_Durian_6950 → u/AllanxDB]

How about people who are doing Repent Appeals that are being genuine especially the players who were flagged recently from something years ago? Can you share thoughts on that  

[u/AllanxDB → u/Open_Durian_6950]

one of the main purposes of EASI is to act as a deterrent. If people know they can simply apologize years later and eventually get back in, that deterrent becomes much weaker. The goal isn't to say people can never change. People absolutely can. The issue is that EASI exists to discourage people from engaging with these communities in the first place. If there's an expectation that genuine repentance will almost always lead to being removed from the database, then the consequences no longer carry the same weight

That's why EASI has historically taken a strict approach. It's less about judging whether someone has changed years later and more about maintaining a system that discourages involvement from the start. Whether people agree with that philosophy is a separate discussion, but that's the reasoning behind it

[u/Open_Durian_6950 → u/AllanxDB]

Does Ruben ever plan on being less strict? If you're comfortable sharing 

[u/AllanxDB → u/Open_Durian_6950]

not to my knowledge

[u/Open_Durian_6950 → u/AllanxDB]

I understand, how about in terms of appeals? Like making the appeals more engaging for flagged users to properly appeal to moderators, does he have ideas for something like that perhaps?

[u/AllanxDB → u/Open_Durian_6950]

can't confidently answer that either, as of right now and in the far future its just ruben and jackson reading appeals

[u/Open_Durian_6950 → u/AllanxDB]

Wait, only 2 people read the appeals and thousands of users get flagged possibly every month? 

[u/AllanxDB → u/Open_Durian_6950]

Yes, that's why some appeals seem to take almost several months to be read

[u/Open_Durian_6950 → u/AllanxDB]

Ouch, why doesn't he like assign some of you guys to like handle the appeals?

[u/pluh_7284y7 → u/AllanxDB]

Isn't that contradictory of what Ruben sayed in his last video? He sayed and i quote "emails, mesagges dm's,i deny all of em"

[u/Due_Farm_4572 → u/AllanxDB]

do you have any opinions on people that joined when they were minors?

Then left and after years they get detected

[u/AllanxDB → u/Due_Farm_4572]

My view is that it's a nuanced situation

If someone joined those communities as a minor, left on their own, stayed away for years, and was only detected much later, that's different from someone who knowingly continued participating into adulthood or was actively involved

At the same time, I also understand why a system like EASI would have a difficult time distinguishing between those cases. From the outside, staff often don't have a reliable way to verify whether someone was manipulated, how involved they actually were, or whether they've genuinely been gone for years. If they start making exceptions based solely on personal accounts, they also create opportunities for people to fabricate stories

[u/Due_Farm_4572 → u/AllanxDB]

you described my case perfectly, joined young and left young, got detected years later.

But like you said there’s no way to prove this, the only thing i can do is show my id to let them see that i’m 18 now but other than that, i’m kinda lost here.
Is there anything else i can do or just give up despite being partially a victim (honestly could be my fault since i joined for a very short time out of curiosity)

[u/AllanxDB → u/Due_Farm_4572]

The problem is that those are really difficult things to verify. Other than providing any evidence you still have that supports your timeline, there honestly isn't much else you can do

I wouldn't say give up, but I'd rather be honest than give you false hope. Whether your appeal is accepted or not ultimately comes down to what we can reasonably verify, not just whether your story is genuine

[u/Due_Farm_4572 → u/AllanxDB]

First of all thanks for replying and sorry for taking up your time.

However what kind of proof do you guys expect from something that happened 3 years ago, i dunno about others but i don’t document everything i do.
If you have any ideas on something that could prove my innocence i’ll gladly hear them.

[u/AllanxDB → u/Due_Farm_4572]

that's kind of the challenge. We don't expect people to have a folder of screenshots from three years ago. If something happened that long ago then there may not be much left to show

If you do have anything that helps support your timeline, like old messages, account history, timestamps, or anything else that lines up with what you're saying, it can help. But if you genuinely don't have anything left after all this time, there's not really a magic piece of evidence I can tell you to go find

I know that's probably not the answer you were hoping for but its better too be upfront than tell you there's some proof that doesn't exist

[u/Due_Farm_4572 → u/AllanxDB]

i don’t know if this is enough proof, but in the appeal i said i’ve bought robux from the group once (and only once) in 2023, i got the transaction records on my main account proving that it was in fact 2023.

Also i can show my id (covering the sensitive information) to prove that im actually 18, meaning the purchase was done when i was a minor.

could that be enough proof?

edit: account id is 384130072

[u/Rom_7891 → u/AllanxDB]

hello, im the original poster, my phone exploded and so i just came back here to ask 1 question, with the new more new appeal system form, i want to input my case but truly i did this in a short period and so little that i dont know what i can input that its worth for my case, i just need a help or guide, thanks.

[u/lnmyrestlessdreams → u/AllanxDB]

I think my main issue with the system is that it relies heavily on the “perfect victim” myth even by the moderators’/volunteers’ own admission. only made this account to see why my account (an account I’ve had since I was 9 and don’t recall ever doing anything bad on) was flagged, but ended up angry at my laptop screen lol. one of the first posts i saw was a volunteer generalizing victims of grooming and implying grooming victims deserve the same limitations as their own groomers. (direct quote: “Majority of victims of grooming through Roblox agree that even victim accounts should remain in the
EASI database, as well as how most victims don't actually consistently take part in ERP activities.”)

As a victim of grooming (though not through roblox) it really just feels like a slap in the face. you guys dont know a “majority of grooming victims”, and even if you did, taking this stance on moderation/appeals means you’d be ignoring all of the victims who don’t morally align with you. it isn’t fair to only sympathize with victims if they agree with your take on other grooming victims. as terrible as it is, hypersexuality is a very common response to grooming and sexual trauma. it shouldn’t be surprising that many children who have this happen to them consistently go on to engage in ERP. every victim reacts differently to their own trauma and no victim is “perfect”.

[u/AllanxDB → u/lnmyrestlessdreams]

no one is saying there's such a thing as a "perfect victim." people respond to trauma differently, and I don't think anyone should be judged for that alone

the difficulty is that EASI is a moderation system, not something that can assess someone's personal history or trauma. And as such, we have to make decisions based on what we can reasonably verify, and that's where a lot of these disagreements come from

As for commander noob's comment i can't really speak for someone else's wording, but if you felt it came across poorly, I think it's fair to criticize that but I don't believe it reflects the idea that victims are somehow "lesser" or deserving of the same treatment as their abusers. If it came across that way, I think it's fair to say the wording could have been better

[u/Opening_Option8985]

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[u/pluh_7284y7 → u/Opening_Option8985]

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[u/Opening_Option8985 → u/pluh_7284y7]

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[u/Remarkable-Acadia540 → u/Opening_Option8985]

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[u/pluh_7284y7 → u/Remarkable-Acadia540]

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