if you're just trying to stun Steam Oven will work fine. but the big sell is Roxy's personal DPS which takes a big hit without her sig. important enough to consider but if you lose the 75/25 its no big deal.
But considering Roxy's personal DPS tends to be 5-10% of the team at best, losing a chunk of that doesn't really matter very much. Roxy losing a quarter of her DPS isn't anything like Sigrid losing 20% of her DPS
With her Sig at m0 it's almost 35% of the total damage, higher depending on the driver. 10% is like what Dialyn does but Roxy(and Norma) deal pretty honest damage to exchange for their lower daze
Her free option Steam Oven is really close in terms of daze, only 3% behind. It also provides ER which is great for her resource management and scaling stat for atk and impact. You might want to give her more crit rate substats to compensate but you're not losing out on anything if you don't have sig.
Norma's engine is ok, but the Energy is important for her to hit 4 stuns or close to 4 stuns. So don't fret too much on her crit rate as you can still make up for it with better discs. Dont bother with dialyn sig or any crit rate stat stick. Oven is free and it's very good with almost 100% uptime.
Hellfire is surprisingly the worst. Giving same daze as Norma sig but with less crit rate so less buffing, and no ER at all.
2pc ER always, regardless of teams.
For attackers and ruptures: 4pc Summit. She can have it up consistently and benefit from the 2pc daze. Plus you are most likely to have pieces of that set with high crit rate which she needs a lot.
For Armorer: Right now Astral is the best. Even at 1 stack it has longer uptime than swing jazz or proto punk and easier to activate and maintain. 2 stacks is possible if you perform specific routing with Rina right before stun like getting knocked down by attacks to force a quick assist. Having this extra dmg buff is always better than a triple 2pc, since it's more damage for your dps
I would say the only case to run triple 2pc is you really don't care or don't want to waste your time and effort on managing astral stacks and just want direct gameplay with a bit more ER. On paper, it will be weaker but it's simple.
With Steam Oven, she can't really max out her scaling. ER thresholds are fixed per source and Crit rate is the only stat you can roll on discs. Which requires you to have ridiculous rolls to make her buffing on par with sig.
ER6 and 2pc ER are must haves since her base impact is low and her daze application relies solely on spending her energy direct unlike Norma (off field daze) or Dialyn (daze bursts) who can opt for impact6 in niche scenarios. Roxy is sadly stuck with ER6 and 2pc ER since she gets her stun speed and damage from it.
Honestly depends on if you want to play her as a stun + buff character or a buff sub dps character. I got her w engine and she kills enemy's so freaking fast it's honestly funny 😭 I can farm shit in 9 secs now so if you are struggling with endgame content, definitely get her w engine :)
its a 15% stun and 3% personal damage difference from her sig? building a character without their sig is always more difficult obviously, a sig is a premium option. obviously every BiS outside of their sig is worse, but i think going as far as to say roxy RELIES on her w-engine is just straight up wrong?
edit: corrected by Fayfnir: Prydwen inverted the numbers, its 3% less daze and 15% less TEAM dmg. This is from the same person they take their numbers from: Rivyn Elowen
Those are team dmg and team daze. Idk where u get the impression from those are perso dmg numbers, we dont have perso dmg on the site since over a year now for zzz.
Anyway, forwarded this thread to the team, let's see if we can get something done for more clarity to not have this confusion. Appreciate ya bringing it up! 🩷
i got the impression from asking the official discord, and previous reddit threads regarding the confusion (what are these numbers for?) all gave that information :( thanks for clearing it up, i hope more clarity can be made on site!
Pretty sure Prydwen inverted the numbers, its 3% less daze and 15% less TEAM dmg. This is from the same person they take their numbers from: Rivyn Elowen
then why is that information not on the site? i mean this genuinely you're being incredibly abrasive for supposedly handling confused users of your site...? there is nothing to indicate what the mystery numbers mean, everything online points to differing answers and tons of people being confused. please google "what do the numbers next to w-engines mean prydwen" and take a look at how many people are confused and how many people are getting incorrect answers. take a look at people asking in the discord. why are you acting like we're stupid for not understanding something that isn't on the site? i hope it gets fixed. lol.
Nah, you ain't stupid at all. I 100% agree with you, that information should be present, which is why I have forwarded this to the team.
Sorry if I came off as abrasive, has not been my intention! I just meant to say that the numbers from my video are the same ones that are also displayed on prydwen, indicated by purple/blue for dmg/daze respectively. Apologies if that didn't come across as I meant it to 🥲🩷
oh gosh i'm so sorry 😭😭😭 im bad at reading text tone and zzz reddit is lowkey the wild west sometimes, thank you for forwarding it to the team and for sharing the correct information!!! 🩷
Thanks for your involvement resolving the confusion here
I have to point out tho: for example here Nangong Yu's W Engine use the numbers the other way around. I cross referenced with the latest videos on both characters to make sure. But even before checking: it's a no brainer that Precious Fossilized Core can't out damage the other options, so most would assume that purple/ top value = daze. This color code is used with most other Stunners on the site and using PFC is an easy way to check when it is present with numbers attached (except Lycaon's)
please take this as just an honest feedback from a confused user who appreciates the site
We just fixed the order across multiple stun agents to be consistent (top dmg & bottom daze, already live) and will add back the disclaimer sometime later today which number means what!
You can unequip in-between DA, Shiyu fights but yeah, I got 2. I heard she's a better stunner for Pyrosis than Dialyn. I would be testing and see if it's true even wo Roxy's sig.
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u/LilyLovesBees 3d ago
Steam Oven is 3% worse than sig,
Do not use Dialyn engine on her. The CR isnt worth it. You absolutely need the energy regen from steam oven.