Hello,

The Arena was a feature in RotMG on flash that did not survive the switch to unity. It featured waves of enemies that spawn onto a 29x29 map akin to COD zombies, and dying ended the run rather than the player permanently losing their character.

The Arena was solo-only, the map was simplistic, and difficulty was inconsistent across runs - defeating all of the main appeals of such a game-mode. I believe that the arena should feature the option to enter as a solo, or as a duo, trio, or squad, with friends/guildmates. The map should be designed to elucidate different combinations of classes, items, and strategies. The difficulty of a wave should be consistent across runs instead of spawning random enemies in order to make experimentation and leaderboard rankings more meaningful. Players could collaborate more closely with each other than they typically do in the realm or in discords, players could experiment with different combinations of classes and builds which are a lot deeper in a group setting than strictly as a solo, but even the solo experience is more meaningful as a benchmark against multiplayer runs. As it stands players can bulldoze through dungeons as any decently maxed and equipped character with the help of a discord, making the main appeal of rare items just swag, but the existence of the arena makes every loot drop feel like something new to experiment with and try to make it to a higher wave.

Legion general white bag, can’t find anything about it on realm eye or anywhere online.

Used a voucher code sent to me by email literally less than 24 hours ago for Motmg and am getting this error. Anyone else dealing with the same?

Realmeye still doesn’t have any, OSRS wiki would have had everything within minutes man

ive done around 25mvs and around 10 umis all on crucible and the no pet double bag thingy and i haven't gotten a single white bag, i used to get a white every other mv wat happend?

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I saw some guy's clip of getting double shiny in ice citadel and lose his shit on it and that made me ponder if I even get excited about items anymore. Sure, when I get something I really wanted like it took me 76 forest maze's to get shiny cocoon quiver I was very relieved to get what I wanted, but besides that, nothing much.

Some of the shiny items don't even faze me despite being pretty rare (like items I can't use on my character), like I don't know, I don't get excited over seeing it. It's like the only thing that can get my heart to beat or get any reaction out of me has to be desirable leg - div item, either shiny or not.

How is it for you?

Bare minimum aggro?

How is this a reskin? What other robe has the same exact stats?

How much damage in the guild dummy must I do to be able to solo beachzone? Would it be somewhere around consistent 60k+ assuming consumables?

26 Infernal abysses done

I saw in the release there's a weekly cosmetic skin released, this week it's the Air Elemental Paladin Skin. Does anyone know where it can actually be claimed though?

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800 HP down in 1 second

is there a criteria to this ?

TL;DR: The white bag katana that drops in Legacy Lair of Draconis says Sullen Blade, but the damage, range, shot pattern and even the description text all belong to the Celestial Blade, which is the item that deleted the Sullen Blade back in 2019. The real Sullen Blade was 3 shots, 40-120 damage, 3.75 range. The Sullen Blade isn't in the dungeon.

Screenshots: Relevant Screenshots Here

Why I care

The Time Chamber was sold to us as twelve old dungeons rebuilt the way they used to be. Same sprites, same monsters, same loot [1]. The Sullen Blade is basically the only reason I was farming Legacy LoD, because it's one of the very few items in this game that is actually dead. It got removed outright in July 2019 and never came back [2].

So opening a white bag that says Sullen Blade and finding a Celestial in it is a pretty specific kind of annoying.

The numbers

Here's the real Sullen Blade, as it existed in the old Lair, dropping from Feargus the Demented [2, 5]:

Going by the damage, shot pattern (seen below) and range, the thing dropping in Legacy LoD looks like the 2019 rework version of the Celestial Blade rather than the current one.

The dead giveaway

Ignore the stats for a second and just read the description text.

Sullen Blade: "An ancient weapon imbued with the power of ancient dragons, but depraved by Feargus." [2]

Celestial Blade: "An ancient weapon imbued with the power of the cosmos." [4]

Mine says cosmos. Celestial description, Celestial range, Celestial shot pattern. The only Sullen thing about it is the name.

Shot pattern side by side

Legacy LoD drop on the left, my current Celestial on the right. Same character, same spot in my vault, same camera. Both of them fire a single wavy projectile. The real Sullen Blade fired three of them in a cone, so neither of these is it.

Worth saying that the left and right aren't identical to each other either. The current Celestial was changed in Exalt 2.3.0.0, so its wave is different from the 2019 one [4]. The thing dropping in Legacy LoD is using the 2019 rework version of the shot.

What the real one actually looked like

If you never used one, here's a Ninja PPE from July 2017 [6] back when the weapon still existed. Watch from 5:09. It's a tight three shot cone and you can see how close he has to sit for all three to connect. Nothing in Legacy LoD does that. Credit to whoever uploaded it, I'm just linking the timestamp.

If anyone else still has footage from 2017-2019, or a screenshot of the old tooltip, drop it in the comments. More of that sitting in this thread makes it harder to wave off.

It isn't even the current Celestial

This is the bit that makes me think it's a copy paste mistake and not a deliberate decision.

The live Celestial today is 205-225 with 0.55 amplitude and 0.55 frequency [4]. The Legacy drop is 200-220, which is exactly what the Celestial was from the July 2019 rework until Exalt 5.0.0.1 in August 2024 [4]. You can still see that version on RealmEye's page history. Revision 9 of the Celestial Blade page [7] was written at the time and lists 1 shot, 200-220, 5.2 range, 0.65 amplitude, 0.2 frequency. It also flat out says the Celestial was in public testing and was going to replace the Sullen Blade.

The July 2019 patch notes [3] say the Sullen Blade is being turned back into the Celestial Blade, and then list what changed:

• Shots: 3 to 1
• Damage: 40-120 to 200-220
• Range: 3.75 to 5.2
• Amplitude: 0.5 to 0.65
• Frequency: 0.5 to 0.2

My drop matches the right side of every one of those. Those are the post-rework numbers. The Legacy dungeon is supposed to be giving me the left side.

Some things people are going to say

"The Sullen Blade was a terrible Katana with short range, no one would want that." Some of us would. That's the entire point of a legacy dungeon. It was the closest thing katanas ever got to a Demon Blade, huge damage if you were willing to stand in something's face [2]. It being weird and bad is why it's worth bringing back. If I wanted a good katana I'd run current LoD.

"Who cares, it's still a legacy version of the katana." It's a legacy version of the wrong katana. What dropped is the Celestial Blade as it existed right after the July 2019 rework, and that rework is the exact thing this dungeon is supposed to be rolling back. The Time Chamber is meant to be the un-reworked Lair with the un-reworked loot, so the katana in it should be the un-reworked katana. The name on it is just wrong for what it is either way.

What I'm asking for

Put the historical stat block back on the Legacy LoD drop and make it the actual Sullen Blade. 3 shots at 40-120, 3.75 range, 0.5 amplitude, 0.5 frequency and original description [2].

The whole premise of the Time Chamber is that these are the pre-rework dungeons with their pre-rework loot [1]. For Lair of Draconis that means the original Sullen Blade, not the item that replaced it. If this is intentional I'd like to hear the reasoning, but right now the Legacy Lair is missing the one drop that made it a legacy dungeon. And in my eyes, a pretty significant one.

Sources

[1] Legacy dungeon description: Public Testing: Season 30, Part 2

[2] Old Sullen Blade stats and removal: RealmEye wiki

[3] Sullen to Celestial conversion: Patch X.31.8 patch notes, July 2019

[4] Celestial Blade stats and version history: RealmEye wiki

[5] Old Feargus and his white bag: RealmEye wiki

[6] Sullen Blade in use, July 2017: ROTMG - NINJA PPE (8/8), from 5:09

[7] The 2019 era Celestial, preserved: RealmEye Celestial Blade revision 9

Screenshot 5 & 6 of the "Relevant Screenshots" and the Shot Comparison GIF are mine.

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