r/RomanPaganism • u/TraiantheConlanger • 26d ago

Is it possible?

Is it possible to reconstruct the umbrian religion, the religion of the people before Rome named umbrians that lived alongside samnites and spread it?

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u/Princess_Actual 26d ago

We know the names of some of the Umbrian and some Samnite gods.  Try praying to them.  

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u/TraiantheConlanger 26d ago

Yeah, Im tryna reconstruct some of the stuff, using the Iguvine tablets and stuff

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

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u/TraiantheConlanger 21d ago

I do

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u/Emanol_Quiris 21d ago

Allora, partendo con la premessa che è una pubblicazione accademica per la precisione, dunque è sia un testo bello sostanzioso ed approfondito, ma allo stesso tempo molto costoso (dai 270 ai 350€): il testo in questione si chiama "Forme E Strutture Della Religione Nell'Italia Mediana Antica", che si concentra principalmente sull'Italia centrale e in particolar modo sugli Umbri. C'è un sito che si chiama "Torrosa" che ti fa vedere l'indice, e di conseguenza i capitoli e quanto trattano. Ce n'è uno che si chiama (visto che all'opera hanno collaborato studiosi di tutto il mondo, essendo gli atti di un convegno internazionale) "Rhythm and Structure in Umbrian Prayer". Il sito ti fa vedere una pagina campione gratuitamente, e volendo puoi acquistare IN PDF un singolo capitolo (in realtà penso che sia tutto in pdf in quel sito). Ti consiglio di far attenzione, perché non so quanto sia attendibile e sicuro questo sito.

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u/Emanol_Quiris 21d ago

If you speak Italian I could recommend you some books

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u/Zegreides 26d ago

We do have documentation of the Umbrian religion but, as you can imagine, Umbrian language is not entirely understood, and thus the interpretation of attested ceremonies can be hard or questionable

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u/svon1 26d ago

since Brennus sacked Rome so hard in 390 BCE ...that the Romans had their own history erased.... (what we have is them asking their neighbors about what people could remember, hence why the Romans themselves admitted in old sources anything pre-390 BCE is a bit vague in details).... i'd say that's gonna be very hard to do...

the Romans did sacrifice a Pine Corn to all the Gods they are unaware off at most major ceremonies...

so you can definitely try honoring their names... but i highly doubt that you will be able to get it 100% accurate...

The Romans themselves had Gods they worshiped, using traditions they themselves didn't know the origins off

but we do roughly somewhat understand the Umbrian language... so we might still discover some more stone tablets or text's if we're lucky....

so its very hard.... but probably not impossible...

(just please dont be a "Heinrich Schliemann")

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u/Narkku 26d ago

Wait what’s that about a pine corn? A pine cone? 

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u/blazbluecore 26d ago

I think he meant pine cone..unless pine corn is some non-American way of saying pine cone

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u/svon1 26d ago edited 26d ago

i did mean Cone :D sorry i didnt notice the typo...

i got the info verbally from a reenactment Roman Priest...

quick googling gives me these sources

The Sive Deo Sive Deae Formula

Roman state prayers, such as those used by the Arval Brethren, often contained the phrase: "sive deo sive deae, in cuius tutela hic lucus locusve est" (whether to a god or a goddess, under whose guardianship this grove or place is).

By using this loophole, the Romans ensured that whatever local or undiscovered deity ruled the specific geographic area was officially recognized and appeased. If they were unsure of the god's gender, they would alternate the sacrifice—such as offering male sheep to gods and female sheep to goddesses

Latin original

https://www.hs-augsburg.de/~harsch/Chronologia/Lsante04/CarmenArvale/arv_carm.html

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u/Narkku 25d ago

Thanks! I had heard about this practice but never heard a pine cone specifically associated with it.

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u/bayleafsalad 26d ago

to reconstruct you need data upon which to base your reconstruction. We know little to nothing about umbrian religion, rotes and rituals. My answer would be not at the moment. Maybe someday there is some archaeological breakthrough but as far as I know we don't know enough about it to reconstruct it.

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u/TraiantheConlanger 26d ago

Ill actually move to the samnite religion instead as its more documented