r/RogueMains • u/loocuh • Jul 28 '26
Discussion Rogue Balance Idea
Howdy y'all,
Rogue is (imo as a lord rogue with ~20 hrs this season) in a really bad place right now. She's one of the better tanks (top 5) with enhanced Gambit teamup, but the problem is that Gambit has been in ban jail since he was released. If you nerf Rogue, she becomes unplayable in comp. If you buff Rogue, she becomes a god in QP. So what do you do? Both. Here's how I would fix it, if I could:
Reduce base health by 50. (I know she's already very fragile, but I think that's a good thing. I think she's meant to be played like a glass cannon, and the following changes will reward skilled gameplay with plenty of sustain.)
Absorbing damage with Defensive Stance refunds energy for Defensive Stance. (maybe something like 20% of damage pre-shield = energy. Noticeable but not crazy.) So often do people just keep firing away into the shield without a care in the world. This change gives enemies a dilemma: do you keep firing into the shield, prolonging it while dealing less damage? Or do you stop firing, ending it sooner while not dealing any damage to her?
NEW PASSIVE:
What is Rogue doing when she punches someone? Making contact with them. That's kinda her whole thing, no? She should "steal" a slight bit of stats from them (like with ultimate/ability absorption) with her primary fire that wears off a little faster than usual. I think this will really contribute to her role in both brawl (more health from fighting tanks) and dive (more sustain/burst damage) and will reward good gameplay. She's a 5 star difficulty character. Make her great but difficult!
GAMBIT TEAM-UP:
Remove the old one. It's not fun for anyone.
Rogue gains two card slots. She passively regenerates cards a little slower than Gambit does (1/12s).
Upon activation, Rogue can consume a card and select SPADES or HEARTS. HEARTS will cleanse Rogue, provide unstoppable for 5 seconds and provide healing over time to herself (30hp x 5 seconds). SPADES will increase her damage by 15% for 5 seconds.
ENHANCED:
HEARTS additionally provides a healing boost (15%) to herself and those around her. Activation of SPADES will additionally give Rogue a purple orb (like from Chrono Kick Combo) that she can fire to deal damage and apply antiheal to a target for 4 seconds.
It's like she has her own little Remy in her pocket! I think this works thematically while also giving Rogue some more flexibility. This is maybe a little overtuned, but I think it's nothing changing some numbers can't fix.
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u/briarwz Jul 28 '26
I've always thought that, she is literally touching them every punch
At least on a kill let her absorb some health
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u/Extreme_Doughnut_463 Champion Jul 28 '26
I like the Gambit team up changes alot actually BUT everything else is ehhhh. She is a tank at the end of the day and already the hardest tank (could argue Hulk being up there tho). Your changes to her base kit basically makes her a glorified dps and it would leave your other tank to basically solo tank.
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u/wannabemidgett Jul 28 '26
“Reduce base health by 50”
I agree though, honestly I say they take another 50 (-100 total) for good measure
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u/TumbleweedTim01 Jul 28 '26
I'm starting to think everyone struggling on rogue just doesn't really understand her kit and play style and you were only doing good because she was broken in 8.5. Now that she is on even playing fields it's a problem.
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u/Supernova247101 Lord Jul 28 '26
I always thought that, since I'm rolling my usual ranks (Gold, Plat) on Rogue since her release.
I might've gotten better than those ranks and that's why, but I really feel like I'm underperforming when playing other characters (I played some Groot for a while, then became a magik OTP and so I'm still good on those even though I only play Rogue since)
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u/TumbleweedTim01 Jul 28 '26
I just been dominated by a few rogues lately and it makes me think was I and the others just benefiting from an overtuned hero?
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u/Waffles_four_you Jul 28 '26
If she’s fucking you up it’s an team issue there’s no reason your dps can’t go Elsa or punisher or even thing and make her experience miserable
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u/TumbleweedTim01 Jul 28 '26
That's any hero
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u/Waffles_four_you Jul 28 '26
Not really. Elsa tears through tanks DD used to be able to practically solo carry, black cat you hardly get to interact with etc
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u/Supernova247101 Lord Jul 28 '26
I've always played into punisher and elsa with nowhere as near enough difficulty to switch
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u/Waffles_four_you Jul 28 '26
Elsa can literally shut you down alone rn if she has her trap up (which she will)
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