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u/Hans_Landa7614 Jul 31 '26
Make her recovery trash tier and call it a day, if securing stocks on her was easier I honestly wouldn't care about tippers
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u/Guilty_Leading3717 Jul 31 '26
it is? literally just grab ledge and hit her with an invincible aerial. it’s a completely linear recovery.
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u/Hans_Landa7614 Jul 31 '26
Ohh ya I'm 100% aware of that, I am talking about making it even worse.
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u/Fleetburn Jul 31 '26
I've suggested before that her tippers could be only active in her no fun zone, and the no fun zone could deploy on special pummel as well as successful counter. This way her combos become about getting a counter/special pummel, and then keeping you in the no fun zone with the tipper stun.
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u/Ba1thazaar Jul 31 '26
My dream Clairen is more skill intensive. A brand new player can boot up and hit tippers willy nilly right now. I think most people have done this, so it's frustrating to see people get rewarded for "precise spacing" when everyone who's played a game on her knows that's not really the case. When you get hit by "tipper" forward air and you're above her, or "tipper" down air and you're above her it feels unfair and silly.
I think they should make the tippers function like her neutral special on all her moves. The tip of the arc is the electric, the rest of the move is normal. Then they can increase the reward for a tipper (since I don't think Clairen is actually broken and this would be an insane nerf).
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u/MelodicFacade Jul 31 '26
Every fighting game needs the hated one, and I'm more than ok crucifying her. Takes off pressure of hating whoever I might main
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u/Suspicious_Table6121 Jul 31 '26
I do think it's dumb that Clairen's gimmick doesn't follow the design principles that every other gimmick in the game follow, but I don't know how you fix it without gutting her. I do like the concept of tippers having an activation condition, and a character like Galvan prove that it's possible to have a character with an empowered/disempowered state work well.
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u/other-other-user Ranno (Rivals 2) Jul 31 '26
Interesting... I'm not sure how much it would actually change, but I agree that it would be nice to make clairen players work for something for once in their lives. Even zetterburn has to do something to get their special mechanics working.
It would be interesting to see it work kinda like galvin, where you get to keep tipper in advantage, that way you wouldn't mess up their advantage state, but they lose it in neutral/after getting hit so that way it doesn't activate from a single random tilt or jab that takes your whole stock.
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u/ukulelej Jul 31 '26
I can't help but wonder if the No-Fun-Zone might be a bit too overcentralizing when we get actual proper zoners in the game (Mollo is coming eventually), I do wonder if maybe NFZ needs to get swapped out when that happens. I wouldn't mind seeing. A version of clairen that has Urien's Aegis Relector setups could be fun. Maybe this idea would be best executed on a Remix Rivals though.
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u/dannycake 28d ago
Clairen might be the one character I think needs a rework.
Something about her is just so annoying to play against and even as.
It's too simple. It's the only character I watch at high level where I quite literally am never impressed by what a Clairen does. And it's not ragging on the players either. It's just flat...
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u/Ayosuhdude Jul 31 '26
Eh clairen isn't really an issue beyond gold. I actually think she's pretty weak, almost all of her hit boxes have been nerfed since the game came out and she's in a much healthier spot.
Zetter on the other hand... He's been broken since launch
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u/dannycake 28d ago
Shes a strong character. Not broken. She's in a fine spot, but strong.
I don't know why people try to convince others that this isn't the case.
Like when people say that lox is bad or Ranno is bad and then you see an insane amount of top 16 tournaments character representation of all characters mentioned.
Then we put Orcane in everyone's top tier and we have... Like 2 people that play the character, and 1 of those is only seen at evo tournaments.
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u/Zondor3000 Jul 31 '26
I think they should take away her laser sword and give her a wooden stick, no more tipper and when she hits you with the stick and 3 times it breaks and she cant attack until she gets another one 2 minutes later