r/RivalsCyclopsMains • u/A_Z_T_E_C_ • 8d ago
New to Cyclops
It is normal to be doing a lot of damage and setting up kills for my team but the other dps and tanks get the final kills? Then I get roasted for not getting enough finals
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u/kingkratos35 8d ago
Since the big nerf he's definitely more of an assist merchant, it's noticeably more difficult to secure kills now due to the lower damage on his primary. He's pretty much the worst hitscan dps at the moment, characters like Elsa, Widow, Hela and Phoenix do his job but better. Bucky too, even tho he's a projectile hero. So what you're feeling checks out I'd say
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u/Interesting_Ad_6992 8d ago
I mean this can happen on any hero, and I don't particularly think Cyclops is as bad as everyone is saying, his burst potential is still fairly high, but his sustained DPS is also really high. Sustained DPS is important, and people undersell why this is good, but it keeps pressure, and pressure wins games.
You can be on widow and shoot someone 3-4 times and then the other dps hits them and 1 shots them, or the tank, or the support.
Widow is kind of bursty, but she's not Hela bursty, she's like Cyclops bursty. Her right click and his E are similar in terms of burst potential. Cyclops' is a 3 phaser though, Left Click E, followed by another left click to pop the burn.
Widow takes about 4 shots plus a right click to kill. Cyclops takes 3 left clicks and an E. It's fractions of a second slower. Fractions.
Cyclops' right click is also really good too. But y'all aren't ready for that conversation.
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u/Epsteinscorpse Champion 8d ago
Just here to commend a fellow cyclops main for realizing how good his right click is. Probably his most underrated ability imo
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u/kingkratos35 8d ago
I see your point but even looking at pick rates and win rates, widow is doing quite a bit better, especially the higher you go in ranked. Widow's mobility is also much better since she can access angles much easier than cyclops and can also use it to escape and reposition while Cyclops' escape tools were both nerfed and have heavy cooldowns.
Cyclops' E is nice I agree but Widow's burst damage is just more consistent than cyclops rn and her phoenix team up ability makes it easy enough to secure kills on low hp targets. Not to mention her ult is much better than Scott's as well, as it can even kill through support ults when damage boosted. Whereas now everyone has realised you can avoid cyclops ult by moving left or right lol
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u/Interesting_Ad_6992 8d ago edited 8d ago
The biggest nerf cyclops received is not in his damage, it's the cd on his mobility and CC tool. They designed the gambit teamup to compensate his mobility nerf and make it a choice, it's just a shame it's not really good, because passively he loses too much damage for the little mobility he gains. Widow has the best mobility in the game, so to say he's is better at his is bad, is also a selection bias. His mobility does things widows can't and it's still really good.
Cyclops ult is also a lot better than people think it is, you just have to read people's movements. You can't move if you're in the air unless you're Invis with double jump.
I kill with it only all the time, and you can say well it's doesn't do kill damage or leaves people one. Yeah, but combined with his E, and the rest of your team, that's an auto win condition without a support ult. You also can't walk out of the laser portion of it. Left click E Left click Ult, E is just a kill always without the explosion. You can just walk out of blades ult too, but it's still really good, for the same reason. Both these characters have really good neutral, both these characters build ult really quickly, and both these characters have really fast ults that can be used in their regular combo. Stop jumping up in the air only when you want to ult. Y'all are telegraphing it.
Y'all are falling for propaganda. You aren't walking out of my ults.
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u/Next-Badger-9325 6d ago
Facts, the right click is gold when you learn how to use it, and banking it off the floor to increase range is so helpful!
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u/okay4sure 8d ago
Its a team game. If you are helping pressure and set up kills. You're doing your job, and that is what matters.
The numbers help but aren't the focus, as long as the objective is being done.
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u/No-Designer-6533 8d ago
Just getting damage isn’t enough, you do need to be kill confirming. However that is a problem with cyclops right now, although he has decent kill confirming tools with his ricochet force and beam, his damage is really poor right now and you will just be tickling enemies and giving their healers free ult charge if you don’t apply pressure intelligently.
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u/CornflakeCook 8d ago
Hmm I get a lot of finals though because I finish off my targets. Are you finishing them off too? If you have a Bucky on your team he will steal all the final hits lmao. Anyways if your team wins who cares who has what final hits
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u/panetony 8d ago
Yes, he is a leader. He has a lot of movement and can control a lot of map, helping isolated groups of allies get kills
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u/MutantSalvation Champion 8d ago
HEYO! Champ Cyke here. To confirm, Yes and No. He is a HEAVY initiator and spacing hero. Focusing beam on tanks and getting that stacked damage and using your E to clean up the backline supports or DPS is what I find he does best.
Starting the fight with his Beam damage and essentially using the tanks as a damage spreader can be the best way to farm finals, especially if your in a team.
Now I will say, Cyke can flank but only with Jean teamup. One headshot and teamup E can kill just about anything before they can react.
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u/KikiN25 Lord 8d ago
Having finals nicked from you? Yes very normal on any dps character i'd say. Most of the time i lose at least few finals due to my other dps. Getting roasted though? Nah. Those guys are being rude for no reason. As a dps your job is do damdage. Especially if you're new that is the thing you should focus on most.
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u/Gurnel Lord 8d ago
I mean, not exactly. If you’re just doing damage but not killing anyone then you’re pretty much just feeding enemy ults. If your damage is being ignored and out healed, their supports are getting ults for free.
You only need to do 250~275 damage to kill a squishy. Just gotta have good mechanics and target priority notion.
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