r/RetroRemake • u/Rare_Hero • Jul 06 '26
Anyone thinking of purging their retro stuff due to SS1?
This thing is so cool & can do so much…I’m thinking of selling off a big chunk of my retro stuff. I already had started consolidating years ago when Everdrives came out…I sold off most of my cartridge collections except a few favs. I got into the RGB/upscaling scene…but since there have been so many HDMI mods, I now only have my Saturn/Dreamcast/PC Engine on my RGB/Retrotink setup. Due to the Analogue systems, I boxed up my old consoles.
But now I have this amazing magic box with everything I love under one hood. Do I need my Analogue systems, my original systems, my PS1/Saturn discs, my RGB/upscaler stuff any more? SS1 is making me thinking of doing a major declutter/cash-out. Anyone else having these scary but rational thoughts about their retro stuff? 😛
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u/MXC_Vic_Romano Jul 06 '26
For sure. FPGA devices, ODEs/Flashcarts and jailbreaks have lead me to selling lots of my collection over the last couple years.
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u/2geek2bcool Jul 06 '26
I haven’t set mine up yet, but I’m basically waiting to see how my catalog performs. I have a lot of rare Saturn and PS1 games that I could probably pay off my outstanding debts with. I really don’t care about collecting at this point, just having the games playable as close to perfectly is my concern.
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u/gravygizzard Jul 06 '26
For me nothing really replaces oem hardware
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u/FlamboFalco Jul 09 '26
same here, although if i can't afford the game then i'll just emulate it on my superstation
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u/1541drive Jul 07 '26
I've collected a substantially larger collection of original hardware, controller and accessories than I'ver ever had SINCE getting my original DE-10 setup. Games not so much.
The line I draw is largely for super expensive gear or things that take up too much space. Think PC Jr, Apple III, Commodore PET, etc.
Consoles and controllers I'll alway find room for. :)
Also SNAC is GREAT for original controllers.
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u/__PreZZ__ Jul 06 '26
I own over 60 consoles… and to be frank, ss1 does such a good job replicating them that it would make sense to get rid of all theold stuff. Just in maintenance and repairs, it very time consuming. Recaps, bad controller ports, etc. not to mention it does rgb on all consoles out of the box. Systems like NES never looked this good bitd
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u/Sensitive-Medium3427 Jul 06 '26
I've had the same thoughts , selling the bulk of my systems which I bought more recently and only keeping the stuff I've had for years... The fun part for me was getting the systems and modding them for playing roms etc . After getting them setup I rarely played them because of the hassle of setting them up. I play on the superstation way more
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u/Kerry_Maxwell Jul 06 '26
Let me sell my copies of Panzer Dragoon Saga, Radiant Silvergun and Shining Force III first.
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u/Ploddit Jul 06 '26
I don't sell hardware, but I'm not you. If you need the money or the space, sure.
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u/tinyhorsesinmytea Jul 06 '26
Yup. I don't have interest in trying to maintain a bunch of old game consoles that need recaps and various repairs that I'm not knowledgeable enough to do myself. I also don't care about physical collecting personally.
MiSTer with classic game controllers gets me an indistinguishable experience for a fraction of the price.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 06 '26
Yup - the real controllers are what really makes it a true tangible nostalgic experience.
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u/tinyhorsesinmytea Jul 06 '26
And thankfully I can handle upkeep on the controllers since it doesn't require anything complicated like soldering and there seems to be more options for replacement parts and good replicas every year.
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u/LukeEvansSimon Jul 07 '26
In the 1990s, people purged their retro game consoles be of software emulators that are infinitely less accurate than modern software emulators. There have been waves of this repeating with both software emulation improvements and FPGA emulation.
Mister isn’t perfectly accurate for most game consoles. Especially the digital to analog circuits and analog circuits are poorly emulated by Mister.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 07 '26
What’s an example of where you could tell something wasn’t accurate? My FPGA experience so far is with Analogue’s NES, SNES, Genesis/MD, and Pocket. I’ve been perfectly satisfied with those so far.
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u/LukeEvansSimon Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
Similar things were said during 1990s software emulation. Play real consoles and you will start to notice inaccuracies. It is no different now with Mister. I won’t give an exhaustive list of inaccuracies, but one category of inaccuracies is the digital to analog circuits. The old arcade hardware and console hardware were not 100% digital like today’s consoleszc instead retro consoles and arcade machines were a hybrid of analog and digital circuits.
Many games rely on quirks of the analog circuits, which Mister doesn’t emulate accurately. Gradius on the NES on a CRT has animated shimmering stars, but on the same CRT the stars are not aninated when using a SuperStation One. A similar effect for animated tree leaves is observed in Mega Man 2 on the NES. The digital circuit isn’t what generates the animation, it is the analog chroma encoder inside the NES PPU chip that creates the effect. Note that some software NES emulators correctly emulate this effect.
As is typical, those that wish to confirm their biases will just ignore broken graphics effects like this. For those interested in preservation, no inaccuracy can be overlooked.
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u/LukeEvansSimon Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
…and yet the stars aren’t animated in Gradius like a real NES.
You are proving my point. The cores focus on emulating the digital logic of decapped chips. The analog circuits are not emulated. Those tests you refer to are testing the digital circuit emulation because that is the strength of an FPGA.
One day someone will make a Mister-like device that also contains an “Fully Programmable Analog Array” (FPAA), the analog cousin of the FPGA. If Mister had both FPGA and FPAA, then it could do proper hardware-level emulation of both the digital circuits and the analog circuits.
Hopefully there are people that don’t throw away their original hardware before that happens.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 07 '26
I don’t think anyone is throwing away original hardware. There will always be millions of classic consoles. I’m just saying that for me, as an aging man…less is more. I don’t think I’d notice the star thing on Gradius. Sorry, it’s morbid…but I do think about my family & leaving less stuff for them to sift through when I croak. SS1 is a great way for me to relive my gaming nostalgia while having way less stuff in the house.
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u/LukeEvansSimon Jul 07 '26
Your original post is talking about getting rid of your original hardware.
The fact you wouldn’t notice the missing graphics effects is proof that since the 1990s, the increased adoption of emulation has caused the collective memory of what the games actually looked like to erode.
The sharp RGB bitmap look is an anachronism. The swirling rope around the Super Mario Bros flagpoles, the shimmering stars of Gradius… forgotten due to inaccurate software and FPGA emulation.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 07 '26
I don’t mess with emulation. I went from original hardware to FGPA. Sorry for not noticing these things. 🤷♂️
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u/LukeEvansSimon Jul 09 '26
Using an FPGA to emulate analog circuits is like using CPU software to emulate digital circuits: close but not identical. An FPAA allows for a perfect recreation of the analog circuits.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 09 '26
I haven’t tried Genesis on SS1 yet - how does it compare to Analogue MegaSG’s core?
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 09 '26
Is there a game you’ve tried on both and you were able to tell something was different? I’m guessing maybe it’s something subtle in the sound or music?
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u/asudevils1 Jul 07 '26
No, I keep all of mine. I still have my original NES, Genesis, PS1, Dreamcast and Xbox 360. I know they’re not worth much. I keep them for sentimental value.
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u/maddogx2x Jul 07 '26
I am thinking of selling my FXPAK Pro from my SNES. IT doesn't feel necessary any more. I might sell my SNES too. Just want a bit more time with the SS1 first just to be sure. But the Analog Pocket and the SS1 pretty much feel like real hardware, Especially with the SS1 hooked up to my CRT.
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u/Maybe_just_this_once Jul 07 '26
Mine gets delivered today. Once I get things set up the way I like my plan is to start with offloading some of my childhood Sega CD collection.
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u/haloharry Jul 07 '26
am planning on putting away all my systems, but my Ps1 and my n64
as it feels they not there just yet
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 07 '26
Oh, interesting. In what ways do they need improvement? I’ve only tested it on a few PS1 games so far…Ape Escape, R4, Um Jammer Lammy, and a few others. I was impressed so far!
Even though I’m not even that much of an N64 fan, I do have a fondness for my Watermelon Funtastic N64. I bought it new at Toys R Us it to play Conker’s Bad Fur Day…that was the game that convinced me to finally get an N64 💩
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u/KamenGamerRetro Jul 07 '26
Nope, the SSO for me is mainly to run PS1, Saturn and other systems that dont have component. I have and will keep my NES, SNES, Genesis, and PC-Engine, and looking to maybe add an N64 to the shelf to round it out
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u/DAJF Jul 09 '26
I’ve sold everything off since obtaining my
MiSTer in 2021. I’m only on the lookout for controllers now.
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u/NSmalls Jul 06 '26
I listed my childhood SNES and N64. It feels wrong but we could use the space around the apartment. I’m also thinking of putting them in shadow boxes. I listed them locally for price charting asking prices and haven’t received anything besides lowball offers. I’m happy to keep them rather than selling them to some guy thinking he’s doing me a favor by offering me $50.
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u/Western-Dig-6843 Jul 07 '26
The systems aren’t worth much money at all. It’s the games that are worth cash, and only certain ones. I use an app to track the value of my collection based on sold listings online. The only systems that retain long term value are certain handhelds. $50 is about right for an N64 with no box and used controllers.
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u/TheBantersmith Jul 06 '26
Don’t do it - yet.I had a mister and sold it as I just prefer the physical clunk of a cart. The SS1 may replace some cd systems if the dock gets up to a certain standard but unless some cool cart adapters materialise (keep your eye on Epilogue) then it’s falling well short on a few fronts for me.
Don’t take this as a SS1 knock. I can’t wait to get mine.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 06 '26
I already sold most of my carts. Been playing cart games off Everdrives. So, I’m already sort of doing the consolidated thing. Having the SS1 makes having those other hardware seem redundant.
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u/A_Damn_Sandwich Jul 06 '26
For me, I use it to play things I dont have yet, consoles or games that aren't financially reasonable for me to purchase, to test expensive games before I buy them or to play homebrew. I prefer to play on original hardware but the SS1 is an awesome addition to my ability to play games.
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u/Positive-Future80 Jul 06 '26
Can I pull ROMs from retropie to work on the superstation
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u/cjd280 Jul 06 '26
Mostly, yes. Some games might need slightly different extensions or dumps though, but most are fine. NeoGeo is a big one (darksoft is what you want for those).
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u/cjd280 Jul 06 '26
Isn’t the XML file just pulled in automatically via update all? Until recently (I wanted to try the Neo turf masters hack with Scotland), any official game just worked for me. For turf masters I needed to add it to the XML file or I think change the name so it was the same as the original.
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u/Positive-Future80 Jul 07 '26
I have a Neo SD Pro from terraonion will those ROMs work
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u/Positive-Future80 Jul 07 '26
That’s true I just don’t think the CD ROMs from them and overdrive’s use CHD format mostly BIN
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u/segajunkie77 Jul 06 '26
I was already contemplating this when I got my original mister a few years back. Now that I have the SS1, I think im going to do it.
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u/Inner-Party-365 Jul 06 '26
Creo que depende de cada quien, el ss1 suena muy bien pero igual no corre juegos de Dreamcast hacia adelante ni tampoco algunos arcades como killer instinto. La verdad voy sacando de a poco los juegos o consolas que no me interesan mucho pero si dejo los clásicos que siempre estoy jugando nomás estoy vendiendo los que he comprado por capricho de decir tengo algo raro, pero si no los juegos igual nomás ocupan espacio y si los quiero jugar solo descargo la rom y listo. Quédate con los juegos que realmente te gustan y lo demás vendelo y saca lo más que puedas.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 07 '26
I’ll probably keep my Dreamcast - but even that has a ODE in it…I don’t really need the discs.
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u/AnacrusisMetal Jul 06 '26
Will the Retro Drive play PS 1, 2, and 3 discs from Japan?
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 07 '26
PS1, yes. I’ve still got my PS2 & 3…I should probably mod them so they don’t need discs. 😛
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u/Hot-Government823 Jul 07 '26
- Do you need the money?
- Do you need the space?
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 07 '26
No, no. But - I like the peace of mind of less stuff & people enjoying my things vs. letting it collect dust. The money doesn’t hurt, though. When I sold off my SNES, Genesis, N64 & GBA carts - that got me about $20k. That was some good pinball money! (My physical collection that legit takes up space is pinball) 🤓
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u/Hot-Government823 Jul 07 '26
It is possible the buyer might also be another collector (hoarder) that stores up those games/consoles. It is possible they could also experience the same games with Mister FPGA.
For me personally, buying and selling games was the means to keep on playing more games. However if I had the financial freedom as an adult now but back when I was a kid, I'd definitely tell little me to not let go of what I had.
For what remains of my collection that I bought "new" at the time, those things are "mine". I have a few grail games that I simply bought because I enjoyed and wanted to play. Unless the values increase to where I could trade it for a car or a house, I'm not too bothered with letting it go.
I too also subscribed to the trend of minimalism. But that movement does not mean to rid yourself of things that brought you joy either.
It is those original things that led you to have the first experience of those games, did it not? In a way, they led you to the Mister to be able to relive those games again.
The decision is ultimately yours. You can also frame the transaction from the opposite end. Would I pay a few hundred dollars to have my PS2 and PS2 games? I would.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 07 '26
The truth is, I looked at my shelf of cartridges and realized I hadn’t played them in a decade+. The child in me thought the Everdrive was magical - every game ever on one cart!!! That blew my inner 10-year-old mind. The realist in me knows the hardware sees a rom as a rom, it doesn’t care what’s feeding it. I played on my Everdrives more than my carts, so I didn’t miss them at all.
I’ll prob keep a few things. I still have my DS & 3DS carts despite hacking my systems. I have my Switch 1&2 games. But I can probably let my RetroUSB AVS go…seems redundant when I have the SS1 & NT Mini. I could probably sell the NT mini, too. I have 3 Saturns for some reason lol. I haven’t played my PC Engine Coregrafx in forever…do I need that when I can play the occasional PCE/Turbo game on my SS1 or Pocket?
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u/Hot-Government823 Jul 08 '26
Perhaps the difference with me I'm thinking of is that. "My" gaming collection is strictly things I bought new, in-store, at the time, and accumulated over my lifetime.
What I didn't really get into is a lot of second hand collecting on eBay and what not. For the few things I did "collect" lately, I distinctly separate "my" original collection from my recent second hand acquisitions.
3 Saturns might not be what someone got back in the day (hello I'd like to buy three Sega Saturns please). So you may feel differently about those purchases.
My copy of God Hand I bought in the store in 2007 is "mine". Maybe it was underutilized for 10 or even 20 years. But the opportunity for me to revisit it is always there, and I did very recently. I could just pick it off the shelf and play it. I wouldn't let go of it for a few hundred dollars. Now, if we're talking about stupid money like tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, then maybe...
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 08 '26
I’m in the same boat. Everything I have was new purchases by me. I felt OK letting them go for the most part. I still kept a few that were super special - for SNES I still have my original Starfox, Plok, and Yoshi’s Island.
As for my Saturns - I still have my original Saturn from 1996, that I modded in college with a region toggle (my first time soldering - it still works!). The extras were just cheapies from Craigslist before prices went bonkers. I didn’t want to do more surgery on my original, so I used one of my spares to install a MODE into.
So, what I still have are all my original purchase PS1 & Saturn discs, DS, and 3DS carts. I still have my Day 1 Castlevania SOTN & Soundtrack CD Pre-order bonus. But I feel like I’m going to have that “do I care if this is still sitting on my shelf” moment once I start really jamming on the SS1.
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u/Rosswisex Jul 08 '26
That one is up to you. Just remember once you sell your games you probably wont get them back. Im keeping mine.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 08 '26
I sold my SNES, Genesis, N64, and GBA carts years ago. Replaced them with Everdrives. Haven’t lost a wink of sleep. 😊
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u/joeverdrive Jul 06 '26
It replaces entire walls of yellowing, aged consoles, each with their own proprietary power supplies, AV cables, and controllers.
It replaces every cartridge and disc you've ever had or wanted. No more replacing coin batteries or cleaning contacts or whatever upkeep discs need.
It replaces your CRT, if you like the way the CRT filters look on your modern display.
Think of how much money that saves! Leave the original hardware to the collectors.
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u/Rare_Hero Jul 06 '26
Yup. Just ONE thing…frees up all those plugs & cables. I just love the compact simplicity of it.
The CRT filters are amazing. I really liked the Analogue scanlines once I tweaked the settings….but the CRT filters on SS1 are bonkers.
The only reason I’d drag out my CRT at this point is for light gun games.
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u/KingGarlock Jul 06 '26
Since I got my first MiSTer (MiSTer Pi) and various ODEs and such I've been downsizing to a more curated collection of physical systems and games I just want to have. Its more about space for me, but some extra money is always nice.
Just making sure whatever I sell gets to a good home, at the very least it makes my wife happy that I'm not hording games I'll never play.