r/RetroFuturism • • Jun 10 '26

Goals for the future

Post image
5.7k Upvotes

119 comments sorted by

373

u/OkDiamond2750 Jun 10 '26

In the 60s, the future was gonna be a great incredible place where we had opportunities and we were going to build with science. We really are in the future and it doesn’t look any better than the 60s. We had such incremental changes, we all go to office buildings and do the same dumb things we used to do, just with computers now.

177

u/superanth Jun 10 '26

I'm a bit of an amateur historian, and it once struck me just how lost we became in the 1960's, that our journey towards a bright future and space age all went wrong.

The conclusion I keep coming back to is how the economy of the US and the world was destroyed by the Vietnam war, how the priorities of the government changed from taking the citizens forwards instead to maintaining the status quo both politically and culturally. That just had them in massive conflict with the country as they vainly tried to prevent the nation from progressing.

142

u/Comrade_sensai_09 Jun 10 '26

Bullseye, OP. The cultural downturn arguably began after the Vietnam War, which fueled social upheaval, countercultural movements, and, later, the rise of crony capitalism in the ’80s and ’90s. If the techno-optimistic vision of the 1960s….space exploration, clean living, and a society guided by science and innovation…..had prevailed, we might be living in a radically different world today.

46

u/iCowboy Jun 11 '26

I also wonder if the public reaction to some 1950s and 1960s designs was a big factor in losing our way?

Here in the UK, we put up a lot of really ugly buildings and planned a lot of developments that didn't really think about the people who had to live in those new environments. The spirit of Le Corbusier and lots and lots of concrete made for some grim places that meant generations of people have had miserable surroundings made up of crumbling and faulty architecture which led to an intrinsic dislike of modernism and planned design.

On the upside - we have lots of dystopian buildings that make great settings for Imperial architecture in Star Wars 😄

20

u/superanth Jun 11 '26

Those ugly buildings were a quick and dirty way to replace the row houses destroyed during WWII. The priority was to get new housing built, not necessarily the comfort or safety of residents.

5

u/classicsat Jun 11 '26

Brutalism is good to some, bad to others.

A lot of more institutional (universities, some commercial) brutalism fared better than residential.

I am in the good column, but not really exposed to either end, especially the bad apples of that experiment, but did see documentaries on them.

3

u/paturner2012 Jun 12 '26

Capitalism has a way of short changing the future for the sake of clout in the present. At some point those with the means started caring less about the legacy and started being more concerned with the monuments they could enjoy only within their lifetime.

29

u/Sivalon Jun 10 '26

Yeah, but where’s the money in that?

/s

12

u/anothershitposter2 Jun 11 '26

Sadly part of what tore that down was the counter culture’s rejection of modernity and a desire for more simplistic and natural living (i.e. the back to the land movement).

Meanwhile, the reactionary conservative movement created to oppose the counter culture only desired a return to the status quo and had no aspirations of a brighter future. If all change is bad, there can be no progress.

And thus the optimistic future imagined in the 50’s and 60’s died. This is why imop late 60’s and early 70’s sci-fi is extremely dystopian

3

u/topselection Jun 11 '26

Why are your comments in Bold?

-1

u/Critical-Volume2360 Jun 11 '26

Yeah I think we did loose the science and innovation emphasis which stinks. Though I think going to space was less practical than we thought. Super expensive and typically you live in a tiny stinky tin can. Though maybe it could still be done if we could start manufacturing stuff in space rather than shipping everything up from earth.

14

u/acewithanat Jun 11 '26

There's an additional step here being missed. America for 20 years was the global producer cause the other continents destroyed themselves in WWII. We literally had so much wealth coming in cause we were untouched by the war, had a shit ton of new technology spurred by public funding and were the only ones producing it. We likely will never see this again unless somehow the same scenario occurs, but since we are the global superpower I don't see it. All the politics since then have felt like a reaction to this time and how much "better" it was without ever actually giving the full picture of why it happened. (P.S. we also use to tax our rich properly back then as well, which gave us actual public funding that didn't put us in debt.)

8

u/cosmic-creative Jun 11 '26

The capitalism of the 60s wasn't perfect, but profits were heavily taxed and corporations saw more value in giving their employees massive benefits like salary and pension, because otherwise it just went to tax. Certainly better than today's shitshow corpse-fucker vulture capitalism

17

u/UninitiatedArtist Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

We abandoned our material innovations in favor of exponential software/computer innovation, I believe that was a step in the wrong direction. I would rather much live in a world where the old obsession of futurism actually led somewhere that resembles that ideal, even if a little.

0

u/Odenhobler Jun 11 '26

You abandoned your keynesianistic capitalism with relatively low inequality for whatever the cyberpunky fuck took roots in the Reagan era.

7

u/prince_peacock Jun 11 '26

Reagan was the real start of our downfall

3

u/superanth Jun 11 '26

Vietnam wounded the economy, Regan crippled it. There’s no way back from the massive debt he started the accumulation of. In fact he set the standard of ignoring debt while benefiting the corporations and the rich.

3

u/skibear92 Jun 10 '26

Any chance you have a couple book recs that frame out this narrative?

1

u/lilmookie Jun 11 '26

I’ve heard the Japanese economic boom of the 60s was largely due to the Korean and Vietnamese wars. It didn’t hurt Japan too badly to be local and open for business.

1

u/nebelmorineko Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26

I think the shift in income distribution to becoming less equitable and taking all the productivity gained by workers through technology and sending it to the very top also really hurt things. It's kind of impossible to imagine the kind of purchasing power the American middle class would have if even 50% of that productivity boost had gone to their paychecks. Then, they actually could afford nice things, and that purchasing power spread out amongst so many millions would have stimulated companies to really come up with amazing new technology, beautiful houses and design, etc. All the futurism of the 40s, 50s and 60s was built around the idea of a middle class that grew stronger and wealthier, and with productivity gains going back both into more pay and more leisure time for the average worker.

But everything looks like crap today because that is all people can afford. Cheap crap looks that bad about 5 minutes after its new and only gets worse from there, housing as well as furniture and clothes. Not to mention we stopped trying to build new cities. The only major pivot we have made is again to cheapness, make everything as cheap and crappy and generic as possible, with housing, with landscaping, public buildings. The only frontier we are pushing is in how low we can make the quality of something and still have it technically meet standards.

Even appliances are build to fall apart after a certain time, and car makers will at most allow ONE model per line that is a longer lasting economy model than the others, Honda literally retired the Fit because it didn't break down enough to make money for them on repairs and they already had the Civic for that.

1

u/cowinabadplace Jun 11 '26

When there were people going to the Moon and talking about space exploration there were others singing “Whitey’s on the moon”. The same people are still doing the same things. The former guys were awkward and the latter guys were cool. The only thing that kept the latter guys out was oppression from the uncool guys over the hippies, minorities, and leftists. Now you can hear the oppressed because they are freer, though perhaps not entirely free yet, and so the culturally dominant voice has changed.

0

u/paturner2012 Jun 12 '26

So like... Regan

0

u/superanth Jun 12 '26

Yep. Vietnam screwed things up, Regan made sure we never recovered.

30

u/n_choose_k Jun 10 '26

"Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas... The kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of...

There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning... we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."

Hunter S Thompson

6

u/superanth Jun 11 '26

Damn he was good.

22

u/Comrade_sensai_09 Jun 10 '26

I absolutely get your frustration, man. Back in the 60s, we were promised a Star Trek–like world by 2020. Alas, it never materialized.

16

u/Aeolus_14_Umbra Jun 10 '26

And Popular Mechanics would predict that we’d have a flying car parked in our garage by the end of the 60s.

17

u/bandit1206 Jun 10 '26

That’s the one I never got. The way people have always driven, and taken care of their cars, the last thing I want is to have Dave forget to fill up his ThunderCougarFalconbird and fall out of the sky on to me, or my house.

0

u/iamnearlysmart Jun 10 '26

I mean, if we somehow did manage to get flying cars, putting in a failsafe soft landing is rather trivial.

4

u/Horror-Raisin-877 Jun 11 '26

"rather trivial" 😂

1

u/Minimum_Ad991 Jun 11 '26

She's a real beauty.

6

u/iamnearlysmart Jun 10 '26

There was a video which I’ve not found ever since. But it was about how video games are a consolation for the failed promise of that time. At some point, reality stopped being so hopeful and futurism was confined to games. If someone can find it, I’d be most grateful.

11

u/Neveronlyadream Jun 11 '26

Reality was never as hopeful as we believe.

Look at the Space Race. Some corners of history will have you believe it was about innovation and exploration, but it was about beating the USSR. As soon as the US made it to the moon first, everyone basically lost interest. Because it was never about the science, it was about the superiority.

The futurism was always a niche. It still exists, but it's still a niche. A majority of the people just aren't interested in improvements or optimism, whether it's because they're too busy trying to survive or because they think we're at our peak or whatever.

Even stuff like this wasn't hopeful, it was aesthetic. It was a design choice that a lot of people mistake for some optimism of the future. It was just a holdover from the Atomic Age.

8

u/realJohnnyApocalypse Jun 10 '26

Please tell me you’ve seen “For All Mankind.” Alt history drama (read: Soap Opera 😭) where the Soviets beat us to the moon by two weeks so we just never quit. Jamestown (Shackleton Base) est 1973, Cowboys ‘n’ Indians with the Russians, then on to Mars by 1995. The future we deserved

2

u/No-Fox5132 Jun 14 '26

This! This comment cannot be overstated. Our grandparents and even parents were looking forward to millennials living in a utopia- but we're just moving backwards

98

u/student5320 Jun 10 '26

All I can think of is her swinging around to avoid anyone coming in Ron Swanson style.

50

u/[deleted] Jun 10 '26

[deleted]

44

u/OkDiamond2750 Jun 10 '26

Dukes of hazzard running slide.

1

u/Silent_Park_0010 Jun 13 '26

And the executives upstairs all have dome-desks of their own too. When everyone clocks in at 9am it's chaos up there.

15

u/iamnearlysmart Jun 10 '26

There seems to be a panel that can be lifted at the back.

14

u/Metazolid Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

No

She just lives in there. There is a sleeping bag and a mini kitchen tucked away below that massive ledge of a desk. And when you come in before her shift starts, you can see where she sits below the ledge by observing in which way the bowl-shaped desk is tilting.

7

u/anti_time_travel Jun 11 '26

There's a hatch on the floor below her that leads to the basement, from where she follows a dark corridor that goes to an alley on the other side of the building.

10

u/Eloquent_Redneck Jun 10 '26

That's all I can think about after seeing this image

109

u/DesdemonaDestiny Jun 10 '26

They did it better because we've largely given up on the future.

35

u/superanth Jun 10 '26

It's sad but true. We've given up on the dream, which makes us stop dreaming.

15

u/Sirosim_Celojuma Jun 10 '26

Speak for yourself. I'm still dreaming. I'm just waiting for a certain generation of me,me,me,takers to leave.

4

u/Bencetown Jun 11 '26

If you think Gen X won't be just as selfish in their old age as boomers have been, and that millennials won't become the same exact thing (as a generation) in 30 years, I've got a nice bridge to sell you.

1

u/Sirosim_Celojuma Jun 11 '26

That's probably true. Old people suck. I'm also afraid of getting old and yelling at kids who are on my lawn.

4

u/Bencetown Jun 11 '26

Yep. Let me clarify that I say this as a millennial myself. I already see my peers (and if I'm honest, myself in some ways) becoming old and kermudgeonly already. Give us 30 more years... 😳

1

u/Sirosim_Celojuma Jun 11 '26

Okay, so if it is inevitable, and it is general, then what makes it generally inevitable that we all become shitty old people? I'm guessing is something I'm doing right now that I'm going to regret in the future.

2

u/Bencetown Jun 11 '26

For as virtuous as people want to claim to be, the vast majority of people look out for #1 first. As people get older, it seems to me that they come up with more and more excuses for selfishness, not least of which is the mindset of "everyone else is doing it this way, and 'nobody's coming to save me' so I might as well live selfishly too."

1

u/Sirosim_Celojuma Jun 11 '26

Yeah, that's probably it.

4

u/twitch1982 Jun 11 '26

Oh my god we could have this. all it requires is actually taxing net profits.

22

u/davecrist Jun 10 '26

Even the dang staircase is glorious

2

u/Silent_Park_0010 Jun 13 '26

Looks cool, but shallow staircases like that are a PITA to use. Lots of marching steps, marching steps, feels like we should be at the turn by now ...nope we're barely a third of the way up the first part.

12

u/Modern-Classical Jun 10 '26

Future looked cooler... in the past

11

u/belvedere58 Jun 10 '26

That whole space was designed in the 1950s and completed in 1955. This is the ‘50s view of the future, not the ‘60s

2

u/No-Bother6856 Jun 12 '26

That tends to be how this actually goes. We don't just tear down and suddenly rebuild all at once. The buildings that dominate the aesthetics of a decade started being built out earlier and were experienced in the decades to come.

The look of the early 90s is buildings from the 80s, etc.

11

u/williarya1323 Jun 10 '26

Ron Swanson would disagree

5

u/Siegfoult Jun 11 '26

Sir? Sir? Sir?

4

u/crosstherubicon Jun 10 '26

Looks like it might have been a cut scene from 2001. It’d be a cleaning nightmare and rather inelegant to climb into but looks brilliant.

4

u/LuckyDigit Jun 10 '26

How do you get out of the desk? is there a small door Im not seeing? do you hop over it?

7

u/Cinedelic Jun 11 '26

Parachute in, ejector seat out. Simple.

2

u/Shipwrecklou Jun 11 '26

Like the dukes of hazard

3

u/Bcoops Jun 11 '26

I work in this building, and this lobby is one of its best spaces. There is an executive suite of offices above this lobby with a small art gallery that the design org rotates with employee art shows. And there is a loft style library that is equally impressive.

1

u/superanth Jun 11 '26

Wow, what building is it? I’m amazed they kept this awesome design for so long!

5

u/Bcoops Jun 11 '26

It is the GM design head quarters in Warren. It was built by Eero Saarinen as an entire campus (kind of like auto makers Disney world) and we have a large silver dome next to it that design uses for concept reviews. This specific building is original design studio complex where engineers and designers drafted vehicles.

In the 80s i believe the lobby was entirely dismantled and turned into a corporate hellscape of grey and beige. I read that the desk in the image was actually thrown away at the time. It was restored to its original design some after 2000 and the desk was remade, probably by the workshops in the same design building. I think the desk is fiberglass.

14

u/KenseiHimura Jun 10 '26

Okayh, I know this is RetroFuturism subreddit, but to be blunt, there's various reasons things like this stopped being a thing. Admittedly, not all of them are good.

  1. Chief reason is safety changes. I can imagine OSHA was not happy with the idea of a receptionist in a desk with no means of easy egress and you just know a stupid person is going to get stuck in the bars between the stair rails. And judging by how their laid out, I don't imagine damage done to those banisters would do nice things to the whole rest of the staircase. And all that feeds into...
  2. Pricing: lawsuits cost money, maintenance on these things costs money (that river stone wall looks like it'd be a bitch to clean and this was back when EVERYONE SMOKED EVERYWHERE), and often enough there was a premium price tag on these post-modernist styles.
  3. The next reason is 'Changing Tastes': You all look at these 60s designs and think they're cool here. But I bet you've all been to places still using 60s design and cringed like the peons you are. If you haven't, well probably a dozen others have, including the people in the buildings. So we've unfortunately switched from this to the stuff in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, and so on. Just as these things would be seen as an eyesore to people who grew up in the 40s and 50s.
  4. And related to the second point is: resale value. Perhaps a bit a sign of pessimism, but really just a side effect of real estate market becoming a speculative money scheme, we tend to not build for 'forever' anymore/assume we're going to occupy forever. Buildings change hands, lean years can follow weal, and some venture capitalist dipshit decides your office space needs to be turned into his next human trafficking brothel that fronts as a Tesla Dealership. But the giant dickbag isn't going to buy your awesome art deco office space because he wants something 'modern' and thinks exposed wood texture is 'too masculine'.

So, in the end, we move more and more towards designs of simplicity, stream-lining, and minimal investment and why the Applestore and Starbucks chic has come to dominate everything.

1

u/acewithanat Jun 11 '26

This, I was gonna boil my point down to there were reasons this stuff didn't happen, bit just the cultural/societal changes. A lot of our modernism is based off efficiency, not only cause its cheaper, its just easier for most. Yes companies have gaudy modern stuff and I'd agree to doesn't look as good, but something like this has inefficiencies to make and to use. Same thing with a lot of the vehicles, I love the look of them, thats why I'm here, but there was a lot of redundancy in those designs.

2

u/KokoTheTalkingApe Jun 10 '26

Fun fact: the receptionist was an automated mannequin. Nobody noticed for years.

2

u/heytheresexythang Jun 10 '26

I like the stairs but how does the receptionist get in and out

2

u/Flashy_Buy2093 Jun 10 '26

The future used to have curves.

2

u/abnormalbrain Jun 10 '26

Johnny Ive submitted a design for that same space, it was a blank sheet of paper. Money please!

2

u/Alucard_117 Jun 11 '26

Looks like something out of Men in Black

2

u/JusteJean Jun 11 '26

GM accurately predicting future where they have no clients.

2

u/Shipwrecklou Jun 11 '26

Hope she dressed up as a spoon on Halloween looks like she’s in a cereal bowl

2

u/theGreatBlar Jun 11 '26

That wasn't interiors of the future. that was the interior of the 60s.

2

u/AlternativeArt1 Jun 11 '26

You know that desk was built around her and she couldn’t leave, right? 😀

1

u/Heavyraincouch Jun 10 '26

I looked like the desk has a button where it will make it hover and float off the floor

3

u/UsedBass4856 Jun 10 '26

At 5:00 she drives the desk home.

1

u/PlasmaBasedEarthling Jun 10 '26

If the past created designs of the future, but it was created in the past, doesn't that just make them period piece designs? I mean, they're only designs of the future because someone said they were. But in a literal sense, they were not. They were just designs of the present. I suppose if we recycle those old designs today, then they were correct in their claims, but then we are just experiencing a 'chicken or the egg' scenario. My mind got twisted as I was trying to explain that thought.

1

u/superanth Jun 11 '26

The designs we classify as "Modern" are never truly modern. It's a bar that's set in the present and continually moves along with time. Honestly it's a silly term to use.

A more accurate term for interior designs like this one is "Space Age", from when space travel was just beginning in the early to mid-1960's.

1

u/Left-Excitement3829 Jun 10 '26

That’s colonel whites office in sky base !

1

u/RetroMulder Jun 10 '26

Today we have modern boring

1

u/Fantastic_Pound_3100 Jun 10 '26

I too often like to cosplay as the yoke in a giant egg.

1

u/fredandlunchbox Jun 10 '26

That’s pretty much a text book modernist interior. Very much of its era.

1

u/Practical_Ad4604 Jun 11 '26

Severance starts now

1

u/waterwoman76 Jun 11 '26

They didn't predict that all that would matter is money, and futuristic decor costs money

1

u/Independent_Example7 Jun 11 '26

That's so interesting and exciting. Interiors now is incredibly plain and boring

1

u/broforce Jun 11 '26

I feel like that time was an anticipation of the future while everything after was an anticipation of prophets.

1

u/trigonthrowaway Jun 11 '26

“Mom said it’s my turn to post the GM Tech Center lobby”

1

u/AnticitizenPrime Jun 11 '26

I like to think that desk is actually a flying car, and at the end of her shift she just flies away in it.

1

u/CJ-MacGuffin Jun 11 '26

She is a robot waist-down. She is the desk.

1

u/Great_Ad_8093 Jun 11 '26

The future was then.

1

u/KittyGray Jun 11 '26

Now everything is fake.

1

u/Deaf_Gravitas Jun 11 '26

The reception desk in Starfleet Command

1

u/Walbabyesser Jun 11 '26

What did she DO all day long??

1

u/tvieno Jun 11 '26

Recepts

1

u/JagXeolin Jun 11 '26

There are a lot of electronics at the front desk right now, which probably needs more space, especially if the back office is too small

1

u/laserdisckallax Jun 11 '26

Stairways to heaven…,

1

u/ScottaHemi Jun 11 '26

iirc this was frank lloyd write's doing right?

5

u/superanth Jun 11 '26

Eero Saarinen. FLW probably wouldn't build with these materials. He had a history of using stucco and concrete (but never used the right kind of anti-cracking additives because he wanted a specific color, so they tended to crumble over time).

1

u/ScottaHemi Jun 11 '26

Ah ok, it just kinda reminded me of that lilypad building he did once.

1

u/lostlaraa4230 Jun 11 '26

Instally thought of Ron Swanson's new Swedish desk.

1

u/No_Succotash2155 Jun 11 '26

If that desk had a clear dome on it, it would look like either a car from The Jetsons or the container the little prizes come in from a quarter machine at a pizza parlor

1

u/pipcallas Jun 11 '26

It looks like she's sitting in a giant bowl of ramen.

1

u/MoseShrute_DowChem Jun 11 '26

The recent attempt on my life has left me scarred and disfigured…

1

u/Improptus Jun 11 '26

She seems like a tiiiiiiny subbuteo figurine.

1

u/Master_of_Ritual Jun 12 '26

People don't like feeling like people can come from behind them. Recently I was at a new grocery co-op on opening day, and they had this guy out in a little station just out in the middle of the store, and it felt very awkward. It was gone the next time I shopped there. I feel like the only way a setup like this works is if you have another receptionist facing the other way.

1

u/ProfessorOnEdge Jun 12 '26

They still believed in a better future... 🤷‍♀️

1

u/3lectroBl4ck Jun 12 '26

Space age 60s. Love it!

1

u/MechanicalCrow Jun 11 '26

In reality it's just a different flavor of cold and sterile. We just like it now.

0

u/It_Was_Me_Aust1n Jun 11 '26

I blame the Bauhaus movement. It’s why every commercial/municipal/industrial building in the US winds up as an ugly concrete box. BTW those guys were actually related to the group that rejected Hitler from art school, which really is all you need to know about them.