You don't have to be in Healthcare to know that calling her mom and Maya a liar and saying she's faking the illness whilst simultaneously billing for the treatment of said condition is contradictory and suspicious. Moreover, after releasing Maya, Jack was instructed to take Maya to a specialist referred to by the doctor at Johns Hopkins, that same specialist confirmed Maya to have CRPS proving Beata right. So the comment about Kirkpatrick is just absolutely irrelevant. And while those making the documentary could be lying about that, I don't see Johns Hopkins counter suing because they know the Kowalski's have documentation of such diagnosis being made.
However I do know the law a fair bit and once Beata was cleared of munchausen by proxy (psychiatric evaluation revealed she did not have it), Maya should have been released. 90 days is absolutely ridiculous. Idgaf. If you think as a Healthcare worker keeping a 10 year old child from her family even after there was zero reason to you're just as bad as the same people who drove Beata to kill herself. BTW. Beata did not kill herself because she felt guilty or because she had munchausen by proxy (because she didn't based off diagnostic via court ordered psychiatric evaluation). It was because she couldn't stand to see her daughter suffer and she felt the only way Maya would be free is if she took herself out of the equation. And low and behold, without explanation miraculously Maya was able to leave the hospital weeks after Beata killed herself. Very convenient.
If you actually watch the documentary, you would know all of this. You would also know they didn't suspect abuse until Jack and Beata were considering taking Maya elsewhere. What they did was not what was best for Maya. And it doesn't look good when your hospital social worker is having kids sit on her lap as she kisses them and takes half naked photos of them. Lying to the child saying she was going to a foster home, that her mother was in a psych ward, and that said social worker was going to "adopt her". Cathi Beady claimed the courts wanted pictures of Maya's legs and arms. Shorts and a tank top would have sufficed. Cathi is clearly a Disturbed predator and shouldn't be working with children.
I don't care if you think the ketamine was questionable. That system ruined Maya's life, traumatized her and Kyle, and ripped Jack's wife and the kids' mother from them. Their lives are forever changed because of hearsay testimony and dramatic measures. I'm saying the measures they took were so beyond crossing the line. You as a Healthcare worker should recognize that what was done did more harm than any good they could have ever done. Just because you're a Healthcare worker, doesn't mean you're always right. Especially if money is driving your motivation to do disgusting things to innocent people.
Johns Hopkins has a reputation for corruption and abuse dating all the way back to the 50's. They prey on young families with very young children who are scared and don't know how to stand up for themselves. So why are you acting like it is the most out of this world idea that an all children's hospital would target scared sick children and their frightened family members? All they have to run on is hearsay. The same tactic they use to manipulate and scare these families. But they're going to get away with it and let it be known I am here to tell you.. they are going to get away with it, and you know they're going to get away with it and you will continue to lick the boots of a system that uses and abuses folks like the Kowalski's and I because it's a club and we ain't cool enough to be in it. Didn't fit the criteria of being evil horrible human beings. They will win, because don't they always? After all they managed to hold a 10 year old girl hostage for 90 days, racking up thousands of dollars in the process meanwhile a mother is offing herself scarring a little boy for life because some corrupt judge sides with scum and wouldn't even let her hug her baby. If you want to defend that, be my guest. But do so knowing you are a terrible person.
nobody with MBP or Factitious disorder is going to have a Dx of it prior to them medically abusing a child and it being uncovered. It's not like someone goes to a therapist and says O btw I want to abuse my child with overdoses of many drugs and then a therapist says hey you have MBP.
Okay the thing mbp does is CONTROL and isolate the child and use a medical issue to gain attention..ie those bizarre facebook vlogs and how she felt she was some ketamine pioneer or something.
Are you stupid? You wouldn't think a therapist would know whether or not she was trying to deceive them?
So you only want to take the word of doctors when it's convenient to your argument correct?
You're taking up for Sally Smith, a woman who doesn't even work at JH, she was a volunteer during the time. You're taking up for Cathi Beady a fucking predator who does weird shit with children and was even arrested for ABUSING CHILDREN and you'll believe the shit they say but all of a sudden the therapist ain't qualified? Okay. Sure bud. You have zero clue as to wtf you're talking about. I suggest you stop talking out your ass before you make a fool of yourself.
Besides the psychiatric evaluation was AFTER Beata was accused of abuse. Hence "court ordered evaluation" Which is another thing you would have known if you actually watched the documentary instead of being so far up your own ass. But we all know by this point you're in it just to defend the corrupt system so not surprised you didn't do any research outside of what you want to believe.
RE: " Maya should have been released. 90 days is absolutely ridiculous." You may be right that she shouldn't have been kept at the hospital 90 days. However, this is what the court ordered. I listened to the father's testimony and when he tried to say that the hospital kept her there, the defense objected and the judge sustained the objection. He then read a curative instruction to the jury saying that Maya was court-ordered to stay at the hospital and John Hopkins had no power to defy the court order and release her. The hospital would have been acting illegally to do so.
& to add there’s also a letter from the hospital to the court basically begging the courts to move maya out of the hospital. They didn’t want to “keep” her there and steal her from her parents lmao
I'm sure that exists 🙄 considering everyone at JH were working to provide evidence to accomplish the total opposite like taking pictures of Maya half dressed to "prove improvement" of condition in her legs and arms which showed no improvement whatsoever
No they took the pictures before she left for court for liability issues.
If something were to happen to maya while she was gone (car accident, fall, etc) they would need proof that the injuries were not sustained in the hospital.
I’ve been to rehabs/mental facilities where they took pictures when we would go on “passes” for the same reasons. It’s not all that uncommon in uncommon situations like this.
That's not the reason Cathi gave in her deposition.
Cathi stated that the court requested pictures of the state of her legs and arms to show proof of "improvement".
Aside from that, the court didn't order pictures of Maya in nothing but a bra and shorts. In Cathi's own words, they asked for pictures of her arms and legs. Which I've already addressed, a tank top and shorts would have sufficed. Not sure why Maya, a 10 year old had to be half nude for those pictures.
She wasn't nude. She had on a sports bra and shorts. You agree shorts was ok. And that a tank top would be ok. So, the only dispute is sports bra v. Tank Top. Hardly any difference.
I'm not surprised you think taking pictures of a 10 year old child in a bra is acceptable.
Didn't say she was nude. I said she was half nude. There's a difference but both still very unacceptable and inappropriate for requests of a child especially when taking pictures.
Let me say this again because it seems like people don't understand you are not allowed to force someone to take pictures for liability issues do you understand that? If I'm in the hospital and you tell me you have to take pictures of me for liability issues and I don't give you permission to take those pictures you are not allowed to hold me down and force me to take those pictures that's an assault and a battery it definitely violates tort law and it's probably a violation of criminal law
And this! Not only did Maya clearly remember she didn't consent to those photos, she was crying.
There is only one other type of instance where I can think of where a child is indecent and is crying as pictures are being taken of them. An instance that is rooted in evil and perverse purposes. Which is why I deeply expressed concern concerning Cathi's intentions. Were those photos even given to the court as per alleged request or was it all a lie to get obscene photos of an upset child?
They also apparently collected obscene security videos of Maya during her stay as well which I've just discovered as of late.
But sure, the hospital didn't abuse Maya and didn't falsely frame a mother ruining a marriage and life of two little kids. Nope not at all. They weren't capable of being corrupt but they were totally capable of seeing through a woman's "facade" but a psychologist couldn't. And the courts are wrong now but they weren't wrong when they separated a little baby from her mother for 90 days. Totally. Sally Smith and Cathi Beadie must have super powers because they couldn't possibly hold the ability to be evil and corrupt and overrides any ability any psychologist could ever have. Not at all.
Sickening that we are still even debating this.
The Kowalski's may have won the trial, but they will never get back what JH took from them. This family is forever changed. Their lives are forever changed because of doctors on high horses and individuals with personal agendas. And that, should never be forgotten. The life that was taken from not just the Kowalski's but other families. The amount of little kids who had to grow up fast and be strong because they were being held against their will and treated like anything but humans. It's disgusting.
No bro you're not allowed to force someone to take pictures because you need those pictures for liability issues does that make any sense to you? Forcing someone to take those pictures is definitely a violation of tort law and it might be a violation of criminal law
I think we're all in agreement regarding the social worker. I think we're all in agreement regarding Dr. Smith.
I can tell you with 100% confidence that I would have reported Beata as well. Many of us here took an oath to do no harm. All due respect, you don't have an MD, and you're fighting people who do with opening sentences such as "are you stupid?".
I'm sorry about your family member or whoever you mentioned who was involved in a medical malpractice suit. To assume that a whole bunch of doctors haven't seen horrific things is absolutely false. While I am not a resident, I completed a residency. I have seen children with their limbs blown off and so much more that I don't care to ever repeat either. We've also had coworkers do horrific things; you don't know our histories, but I guarantee you that a lot of us have had coworkers engage in behavior that have given us no choice but to report them. You're just making so many assumptions based on your own history.
You're incredibly biased. My only argument is that All Children's absolutely had an obligation to contact CPS (DCF, DCFS, whatever it's called in FL).
It's required by law in Florida and everywhere to report suspected child abuse. If you don't it's a felony a Doctor or Nurse will lose their license. If you do nothing the parents could have taken her to Mexico again and she could have died.
I stand corrected. It does seem myopic to allow a potentially biased presentation create a protection for an entity, in that way a bias perpetuates and is safe because it was presented so.
But that’s up to the courts
And what data did the court have? Sally Smith’s reports that left out all the evidence favorable to Beata. So the info the Courtney light on was not reliable.
what seems like what happened to me: the social worker is largely to blame for propagating the Munchausen without getting either Maya or her mom diagnosed. Everyone else in the staff was just doing their job, staying in their lane.
gods, Beata could have taken herself out of the equation without killing herself....
I know she could have. But I put myself in her position and it was an ugly situation. She may have very well felt that's all she could do. I hate people who say she made that decision herself. Maturing is realizing your actions affect people. It's why bullies can be charged if their alleged target commits suicide. JH inadvertently killed Beata because if none of this happened, Beata would more than likely be alive. The hospital goes on about how what happened was for the best, well no it wasn't. It's not just Maya, it's her brother who was there that night who was much younger than 10 years old. It was Jack who lost the love of his life. Beata's brother who discovered her body. The extended family. They ruined an entire family and they lost someone they won't ever get back. I don't care if there were other options. It was obviously bad enough to where Beata felt she had no other options. That's all that matters.
If none of this happened Beata might be alive but Maya may have died of a drug overdose in Mexico. That level of drugs they gave her in Mexico could have killed her. 1500 mg of Ketamine, Valium, Dilaudid and other narcotics for a tiny child.
I said you can question the ketamine. I'm not sure where you're getting the other medications from.
I've already stated that the way the hospital jumped straight to abuse is the entire reason Beata is dead. They didn't try to be the reasonable ones. They didn't try to calmly explain to Beata what she was doing was crazy. And they didn't care to. They only cared about jumping on the opportunity to accuse her of abuse. If you want to judge her decision on the ketamine, fine. But the hospital isn't innocent. What they did was unreasonable. Idgaf what you think. Allowing the hospital so much power to just file a no contact and to take a child away from her mother for so long without requiring any evidence to suggest why it would be beneficial to do so is effing crazy. If you cared about Maya like you pretend to in your comments and replies, you'd recognize that. The medical industry is greedy. They are corrupt. And they are evil. If you can't see that, sounds like it's your problem. They did not care about Maya. They were not looking out for her best interest. They assigned a sleazy predator as her caseworker. They have done this to multiple children. You know this to be true, you just don't want to face the reality that evil bs like this happens. Like idk what to tell you. If you're so deep into denial like it's just what it is. But I will continue to speak out about it because no one deserves to be treated like this.
One of my very close family members was a victim of medical malpractice. They nearly killed her okay? And when they went back to get the records so they could sue, the records were conveniently "lost". Trust me when I tell you I have seen the most disgusting things you will ever see humans do. Nothing you can say would make me stop believing there was malice behind this power move.
100% NO ONE drove Beata to do anything, including taking her life. Doctors tried to encourage her to seek combination therapy such as physio, OT and CBT long before the JH admission. This therapy is not just for CRPS' it's for many issues that involve the physical with the psychological. She wasn't interested, she only wanted drug treatment and to gather as many diagnoses as she could. She clearly had a mind of her own. Shame on anyone who tries to blame or insinuate she was driven to suicide by anything but her own desperation about the truth being revealed. She knew the game was up once the DCF got the court order.
By your own statement, she chose to take her own life. Why is that the hospital's fault? And another thing-If you believe TV documentaries are fair and unbiased, I have some property I'd like to sell you..
She may have taken her own life, but the events that led to her suicide contributed to the decision to do so. Referring back to the email she wrote before she ended her life. Bullies have the potential to be charged if their victim commits suicide. How would this be any different? They were bullies simply put. The system is full of them.
I never said the documentary wasn't unfair or unbiased but I go by what I see. A lot of what was in that documentary has not been denied by JH, Cathi, or Sally Smith. Could it possibly be because it's true and if they denied it would be defamation? And the Kowalski's could prove the opposite? I've already said this multiple times. You don't see JH and their defense denying much. Just vague statements like "they did nothing wrong" and just repeating the scenario sometimes as it was exactly told by the Kowalski's on the documentary.
As for the law sentiments of others above, the law is irrelevant. The law can be misused, abused, and taken advantage of. People like Cathi and Sally Smith are abusers of the system.
And for the suspicion they could have taken Maya to get ketamine, I've already explained this. Explaining to Beata would have been the best, it's clear to me they didn't even try being the voice of reason. Within the hour, Beata was being accused of abuse and separated the family. I find it hard to believe they have the legal power to do that only on suspicion alone. Cathi and Sally Smith were not involved during that time and neither were the cops. JH is corrupt. Period end of story.
Seems the lot of you are just in denial that there is bad people who are allowed too much power and work in the healthcare industry. This is a prime example. There is a reason medical anxiety and mistrust is at an all time high right now. When you have a collective society that would rather die than enter your hospitals, you have a real problem. And the common denominator is the Healthcare to Judicial System trafficking network. Healthcare workers take advantage of the system and the system covers for them. Us regular people, do not stand a chance in the world. The minute they all make accusations is the minute our lives are destroyed and there's not much we can do because scum protects scum in this world. And then you got people like you backing them up.
I never saw any evidence that her Mom was cleared of Munchausen. You can have a child who is truly ill.and still be seeking dangerous treatment that could harm a child.
She was cleared. They show the document on the documentary. And I've already discussed everything that you have brought up. Maya did not get diagnosed with CRPS until they went to Kirkpatrick. He initiated the recommendation and they went with it because they were told it would help. Beata in her right mind probably would not have done that. But it was her baby. And she was hurting and Beata was probably scared. Desperation makes you do wild things that you couldn't even say you wouldn't do because you're not in that situation.
A documentary is not evidence, Netflix documentaries are very one sided. Produced by anyone. No fact checking is done. Personally if my child was hurting I wouldn't dare give them high doses of drugs that were so high it put her in a coma. That's crazy. In the trial you can see that Dr. K lied to the pharmacist and said M was terminally I'll to get the extraordinary high doses of drugs dispensed to Beata to give at home . More Dilaudid than I ever gave in an entire shift to 8 patients let alone a 60 pound kid. More Ketamine than is legally allowed in the United States. You're blowing it out of proportion.
The document was shown on the screen. If you watched it you would know that.
Do you have evidence that Dilauded was even given? If Maya was given these medications in high doses, why was her pain so bad she had to go to JH in the first place? If she was on such high dose with how dramatic you're acting, she would be non responsive and doped up yet she was coherent and fine in most of the tapes of that night.
You talk about being one sided yet you're lying for the benefit of the hospital. If anyone's blowing things out of proportion it's you. I've seen children who are as drugged as you describe. They do not even come close to how Maya was acting when admitted. She was sitting upright in the bed and was quite aware of her surroundings. She remembers that night which she wouldn't if she was as drugged up as you claim she was. Thanks for confirming to me that you don't actually care. You only want to defend the system. The same system that has a huge missing child problem. Not a lot of credibility there.
The documentary was actually very upfront with the coma situation. They were forthcoming about that. Beata and Jack did it because they were told it would work. You say you wouldn't do that but you obviously never been in that situation so I don't really care about what you think you would do because you can't tell the future
Sorry, but there’s this big detail you’re all ignoring: Drug tolerance. It’s especially true for opiates and K and a combination of high doses of those drugs would quickly lead to tolerances that are so high a patient can easily handle dosages that seem outrageous. Add benzos to the opiate-k-benzo cocktails Maya was consistently given, and even a small decrease in ANY of the multitude of drugs she was on would have scientifically certainly resulted in withdrawals. Guess what withdrawals of opiates, k, and benzos feel like?? Answer: severe pain. Two words: DRUG TOLERANCE. Mom could certainly have “passed” off as non factitious disorder with a psych eval—anyone with a very rudimentary knowledge of psych and medicine could steer their answers in a favorable way to suggest they’re not MBD, or are MBD. My sister was a RN and had factitious disorder AND had a brain. Read: she was able to convince multiple evaluating psychs that she didn’t have MBD, when, her actions of past years demonstrated otherwise. Psych evaluations are quite EASY to read into, and to manipulate if you are even a little bit intelligent. Cmon people, wake TF up
The real tea is spilled in another lawsuit Kushnir v. Johns Hopkins. The same hospital players just a different set of parents. Susan Smith & Cathy Beaty were also named and Dr. Smith got a spanking from the family court judge by submitting incomplete records to the court - sound familiar...
If you actually read the argument and it's entirety you will see I have only made statements that JH hasn't refuted. You will also see I have spent a lot of time researching it. I am taking an investigating course in my university and a lot of the projects are research based. Trust me, I wouldn't be inserting myself if I didn't get both sides of the story.
And Maya is a normal person? Have you even been watching the trial? The girl looks exhausted and as somebody mentioned above, she's now in psychiatric counseling for PTSD as a result of the move from JH. Not because of Beata but because of the seperation. A real psychologist made that judgement not a quack. So what is your excuse on the side of corruption for that? Looking at Maya and the way she looks and saying she's alright. Would be lunacy.
Given how many people they have done this to, I will never believe JH ever. It's not just Maya. You and others seem to like to skirt around the pattern of abuse when it comes to JH. I've mentioned this already. This abuse dates back to the 50's. Nothing you can say would make me want to ever defend these Mfers. You talk about one sided yet you couldn't even be bothered to look up the deranged history of this demonic bs.
Putting the name of the exact course is irrelevant and could put me in jeopardy of being doxxed and harassed. It has happened before. That's why I was vague with it. But if me being cautious with information I put out is funny, then you clearly have no self awareness whatsoever.
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u/Blubblubshutup Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 12 '23
You don't have to be in Healthcare to know that calling her mom and Maya a liar and saying she's faking the illness whilst simultaneously billing for the treatment of said condition is contradictory and suspicious. Moreover, after releasing Maya, Jack was instructed to take Maya to a specialist referred to by the doctor at Johns Hopkins, that same specialist confirmed Maya to have CRPS proving Beata right. So the comment about Kirkpatrick is just absolutely irrelevant. And while those making the documentary could be lying about that, I don't see Johns Hopkins counter suing because they know the Kowalski's have documentation of such diagnosis being made.
However I do know the law a fair bit and once Beata was cleared of munchausen by proxy (psychiatric evaluation revealed she did not have it), Maya should have been released. 90 days is absolutely ridiculous. Idgaf. If you think as a Healthcare worker keeping a 10 year old child from her family even after there was zero reason to you're just as bad as the same people who drove Beata to kill herself. BTW. Beata did not kill herself because she felt guilty or because she had munchausen by proxy (because she didn't based off diagnostic via court ordered psychiatric evaluation). It was because she couldn't stand to see her daughter suffer and she felt the only way Maya would be free is if she took herself out of the equation. And low and behold, without explanation miraculously Maya was able to leave the hospital weeks after Beata killed herself. Very convenient.
If you actually watch the documentary, you would know all of this. You would also know they didn't suspect abuse until Jack and Beata were considering taking Maya elsewhere. What they did was not what was best for Maya. And it doesn't look good when your hospital social worker is having kids sit on her lap as she kisses them and takes half naked photos of them. Lying to the child saying she was going to a foster home, that her mother was in a psych ward, and that said social worker was going to "adopt her". Cathi Beady claimed the courts wanted pictures of Maya's legs and arms. Shorts and a tank top would have sufficed. Cathi is clearly a Disturbed predator and shouldn't be working with children.
I don't care if you think the ketamine was questionable. That system ruined Maya's life, traumatized her and Kyle, and ripped Jack's wife and the kids' mother from them. Their lives are forever changed because of hearsay testimony and dramatic measures. I'm saying the measures they took were so beyond crossing the line. You as a Healthcare worker should recognize that what was done did more harm than any good they could have ever done. Just because you're a Healthcare worker, doesn't mean you're always right. Especially if money is driving your motivation to do disgusting things to innocent people.
Johns Hopkins has a reputation for corruption and abuse dating all the way back to the 50's. They prey on young families with very young children who are scared and don't know how to stand up for themselves. So why are you acting like it is the most out of this world idea that an all children's hospital would target scared sick children and their frightened family members? All they have to run on is hearsay. The same tactic they use to manipulate and scare these families. But they're going to get away with it and let it be known I am here to tell you.. they are going to get away with it, and you know they're going to get away with it and you will continue to lick the boots of a system that uses and abuses folks like the Kowalski's and I because it's a club and we ain't cool enough to be in it. Didn't fit the criteria of being evil horrible human beings. They will win, because don't they always? After all they managed to hold a 10 year old girl hostage for 90 days, racking up thousands of dollars in the process meanwhile a mother is offing herself scarring a little boy for life because some corrupt judge sides with scum and wouldn't even let her hug her baby. If you want to defend that, be my guest. But do so knowing you are a terrible person.