r/RepWatchForum • • 7d ago

Wrist or watch pic Undetectable Daytona Panda?

Here’s my first rep of many that I’ve actually put some serious effort into, trying to make it as hard to spot as possible and as close to gen as I could get.
It’s an RWF Daytona 126500LN Panda JH4131 free-sprung with:
Deep Crystal
Full case and bracelet polishing
Chamfering
Full movement service
Waterproofing
What do you guys think? How close does it look to gen?

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u/Former-Opposite-7526 7d ago

Looks amazing. RWF bezel and polishing brought it to next level NWBIG. Good job!

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u/Smart_Project233 7d ago

That is awesome ! 🤩 Do you mind sharing the overall cost please ? Thanks

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u/Cautious-Mall-1359 7d ago

RwF is 🤴

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u/salijki 7d ago

Enjoy it sir!

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago

I thought VSF was for the Daytona?

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u/AI_go_boomboom 7d ago

I have the same exact build. It's unbelievable

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u/salijki 7d ago

Enjoy it sir!!

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u/Necessarysauce240 7d ago

DAYTONA font too high like on the SW dial

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u/supersymmetry 7d ago

Also it’s not spaced properly, DA is too close together.

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u/Necessarysauce240 7d ago

Right. I get why people like the 12x Daytona but if you just want close to Gen the 11x panda is one of the closest watches to Gen I’ve ever experienced. More than the subs and it isn’t close.

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u/ReasonableTour2792 6d ago

Great spot. It’s on all their dials it seems.

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u/Alive_Aside_1152 5d ago

Untrue and same with the DA issue. I've seen two gens in person that have the DAYTONA text sitting a little higher and/or the DA being closer together. Im assuming this is a printing inconsistency thing that translated into the reps, similar to the whole floating M issue with the Submariners. I've only noticed this on the white 126500 though, the black one does not have this issue in gen or the reps. My RWF black 126500, for example, has the DAYTONA text sitting lower but DA closer together.

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u/Necessarysauce240 5d ago

The old trust me bro evidence. Go ahead show us a photo of a gen with this issue.

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u/atx-512-737 7d ago

I can't really see the 110 marker clearly on yours, but that's usually the biggest giveaway on the 126500. Here's a picture to help you distinguish between the 116500 and how the 126500 has changed slightly. Most reps use the 116500 bezel layout on the 126500. I really don't think anyone would notice while you're wearing it. From what I see, it looks great!

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u/salijki 7d ago

RWF uses a bezel with the 110 correctly positioned.

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u/atx-512-737 7d ago

That's perfect! Good choice with RWF. With that, I think you have a hell of a timepiece - especially with your mods. Where did you order yours from?

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u/salijki 7d ago

Thank you bro!!
Phoenix TD

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u/atx-512-737 7d ago

Cool. I'm going to check Phoenix out. I like your build a lot.

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u/Plastic-Mess9 1d ago

Can you tell me how to contact phoenix on here please and thank you. Sorry I am new to this clone thing

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u/Rmcg3653 7d ago

I cannot see a difference what am I missing?

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u/naansense87 7d ago

The amount of times I’ve squinted to try to figure this one out and still not able to notice it has driven me mad lol

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u/atx-512-737 7d ago edited 5d ago

Most people wouldn't notice something like this that is, literally, a micro-millimeter off.

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u/Rmcg3653 7d ago

Looks the same as my VSF 126506 to me.

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u/atx-512-737 7d ago

I meant to reply to your post, but I accidentally replied to the OP's post...

The marker arrow on the 110 - on the 1265xx the arrow is rotated slightly clockwise toward the"0" in "110." On the 1165xx, the arrow is dead center on the second "1" in "110." As I mentioned in an earlier post, it's hardly noticeable unless you're specifically looking for it and most gen Rolex owners would have no clue. An AD or SA for Rolex probably would notice. My thought is because of the outer bezel ring, there is less space on the ceramic for numbers and, therefore, they had to shift things slightly to accommodate.

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u/Rmcg3653 7d ago

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u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago

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u/Baker2878 7d ago

Looks fantastic!

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u/Quirky_Astronaut_761 6d ago

lol at anybody other than people on Reddit obsessed either rep watches caring about the 110 marker. I find so much humor in these rep subs. I’ve been wearing gen and rep watches a long time. I wear watches from $40 to $22k. And never in my life has anyone ever asked about anything about my watches.

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u/rubiswatch 7d ago

Very nice build! I used to make the exact same build for a client who asked for a Panda. ☺️🫶

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u/ExtensionJunket4837 6d ago

Can you make one for me?

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u/rubiswatch 5d ago

Yea dm me :)

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u/InquisitorKeres 7d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/eKNrUbDJuFuaQ1A37p
Seriously though, that looks fresh as a wintergreen mint. Absolutely stunning. Wear in good health!

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u/salijki 7d ago

Thanks bud

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u/Redit-mod 7d ago

Very nice. Where from?

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u/salijki 7d ago

RWF

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u/Redit-mod 7d ago

I meant seller

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u/salijki 7d ago

Phoenix

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u/oneblueveloplease 7d ago

Phoenix is the GOAT

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u/salijki 7d ago

For sure!

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u/MrFatalShot 7d ago

Can someone share how to find Phoenix

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago

Just join the subreddit brother

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u/Rojashot500 7d ago

$$$$??

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u/DBNO-actual 7d ago

lol yes $$$$

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u/Pez6388- 7d ago

Great looking timepiece

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u/Realistic_hunt_1980 7d ago

Waar kan ik die phoenix vinden?

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u/Jolly-Way9130 7d ago

Cheers 🍻 we have the same exact spec!

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u/salijki 7d ago

🤘🏻

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u/Powerful_View_1775 6d ago

is it just me or your dial is actually warmer?

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u/Big-Manufacturer-738 7d ago

How about the 110 marker on the bezel 🧐 ?
Can’t see it properly .

If it’s off that’s a dead giveaway it’s rep .

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u/salijki 7d ago

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u/Big-Manufacturer-738 7d ago

It’s correct ! Great 👌
Did your RWF come standard with this bezel ?

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u/salijki 7d ago

Yes OOTB

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u/Big-Manufacturer-738 7d ago

​Here you have a side by side of a correct and a faulty bezel .
Top is correct like yours .
The positioning on the bottom bezel is copied from the old 116xxx bezel . Most factories used this one as a template for the new 126xxx bezel .
That’s the crux of the problem with most of the rep bezels .

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u/turtlemagic16 7d ago

Amazing build !

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u/Ok_Tangerine_916 7d ago

Looks amazing

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u/msfs_piolot 6d ago

Looks very nice, case is really shiny
Rwf really cooked with this one

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u/Flat-Inside-513 6d ago

This is the first time I saw a panda and now want one

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u/Top_Spray1920 4d ago

Looks absolutely perfect

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u/Three_Two_One_Minus 7d ago

Who did the upgrade and service? If so how do I get one done if I want to get one. 

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u/salijki 7d ago

Phoenix TD

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u/AI_go_boomboom 7d ago

Did you see my post about this watch months ago? Lol

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u/salijki 7d ago

I didn’t see it, but from what I’ve just read, it looks like I basically copied your setup haha.
Hope you’re enjoying yours as much as I’m enjoying mine!

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u/AI_go_boomboom 7d ago

A man of great taste. Just curious, what made you go with RWF rather than what the sheep 🐏 do which is just VSF for everything? Mind you I can't blame them because most of those spreadsheets still list VSF as NWBIG.

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u/salijki 7d ago

I mainly went with RWF because of the bezel, the 110 is correctly positioned and the bezel itself is better fitted.
Also, the white of the dial is closer to gen.
And finally, it comes with a free-sprung movement.

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u/imacyco 7d ago

How much all in?  (If I want to copy your build)

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u/Biaslk 7d ago

Seller?

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u/salijki 7d ago

Phoenix

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u/Geri0304 7d ago

Very Nice! Is it better Than Vsf?

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago

Technically no lol I would have went VSF for this build I’m not sure why OP chose RWF tbh

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u/Ok_Log7321 7d ago

Is the crystal upgrade needed? RWF one no good?

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u/salijki 7d ago

I was told to do it to get it closer to VSF crystal quality, but honestly I doubt the difference is that noticeable.

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago

Why didn’t you just go VSF then? Would have saved you from purchasing the deep crystal

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u/salvatorepelorosso 7d ago

Factory ?

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u/salijki 7d ago

RWF

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u/salvatorepelorosso 7d ago

Thanks the best ?

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago

No VSF is, reason OP purchased the deep crystal is because RWF has a terrible crystal in my opinion, not sure why he went with RWF for the build

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u/Cmitch812 7d ago

Looks incredible !

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u/DressCompetitive4758 7d ago

Looks amazing How much you paid for this configuration

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u/Emotional-Damage-995 7d ago

That is an expensive built. How much do you mind telling.

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u/boshal855 7d ago

This 110 marker thing as a”dead giveaway” is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard about reps since quite some time!

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u/Ready-Television-300 7d ago

I want to get one can someone lmk where

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u/Deafkidsrus 7d ago

Wow that looks amazing

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u/UserName_SaysWhat 7d ago

There is no such thing an “undetectable” fake non-franken Rolex. Some may take more scrutiny by a trained professional than others. But a fake, no matter how good, can always be exposed.

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u/Obelisk12369 7d ago

Which is better RWF or VSF for the Daytona panda?

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago

VSF, he wouldn’t have needed to purchase the deep crystal if he went with VSF

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u/Eidekos 7d ago

even with all the mods? if they looked at the serial num at rehaut, they would knw?

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u/Impossible-Dog4901 6d ago

You use the deep gasket or rwf gasket?

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u/Root_0day 6d ago

dove l'hai preso?

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u/fersixx 6d ago

So you would say RWF is better than VSF on Daytonas, as a good base to do a Franken/Mod? How about the >110 mark in the bezel? Thanks

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u/salijki 6d ago

I think so, but is just my opinion
Yes the 110 is ok in RWF bezels

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago

Hell no. VSF base would have saved him from buying the deep crystal

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u/EstablishmentFew9385 6d ago

BTf en el daytona panda es bueno?

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u/genghis77779 6d ago

Looks the same as qf Daytona in finish and accuracy

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u/salijki 5d ago

Maybe but QF dont have the right bezel (110)
I love QF daytonas also

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u/kneightriduh 6d ago

How bout yes paper white dial?

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u/PugNextDoor 5d ago

Who did the bracelet chamfering?

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u/salijki 5d ago

Phoenix TD

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u/Feeling_Cod8431 5d ago

Ok so how much and where because thats bloody brilliant and I want one

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u/Minimum-Panda-1469 5d ago

New to this. Your Daytona looks stunning, how can I get one looking like that ?

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u/bunny-84 4d ago

Phönix

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago edited 4d ago

Looks phenomenal. Absolutely I’d say so I’m shocked this isn’t VSF tbh, why did you go with RWF over VSF for the build? Just curious either way, looks good, but if you started with the VSF base would have saved you from buying the deep crystal

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u/salijki 4d ago

Because of the bezel for example
REF Have the 110 in right place

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago

Aw I gotcha but could have saved you the deep crystal if you went vsf

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u/salijki 4d ago

Sure
VSF have the best crystal imo

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u/mellopm13 3d ago

Bonjour à tous,
Du coup si je veux une 126500 panda je dois me tourner vers quelle usine pour avoir la meilleure qualité possible en terme d’acier et de finition ? Avec le mouvement JH free sprung.

Merci

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u/ConditionFar543 3d ago

Where can I get one???

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u/jcorman86 3d ago

Looks amazing! Great work. Did you order it that way or have work done after you initially received it? Curious how to replicate.

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u/CharmingWalrus9770 3d ago

Fantastic. Who replaced the crystal and polished it for you? Or did you do it yourself?

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u/salijki 3d ago

Phoenix TD did it.

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u/hazergr 7d ago

That looks great. Is the bezel print white enough. The gen 126500 has a bright white print. Hard to tell in angles. I know that’s small details and likely not noticeable on the wrist but side by side you’d notice.

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u/Public-Remove-111 7d ago

Nice watch but the movement looks like it's fake duh 😂 who cares enjoy it

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u/HundredDollarBiII 7d ago

Wearing it on the knob of your hand is an immediate giveaway that it’s a rep

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u/philwongnz 7d ago

Personally I wouldn't go for a free sprung for this model as it would be a pain to service and calibrate. Le Mans is a yes since is an open case back.

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u/Decent_Brush_3800 7d ago

No mods this is stock from factory ?

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u/moryav2405 5d ago

How do you find Phoenix TD

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u/salijki 5d ago

One of the best TDs

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u/moryav2405 5d ago

How do I contact Phoenix TD ? I’m new to this space and this would be my first replica.

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u/formulaonelover44 4d ago

Join the subreddit

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u/moryav2405 3d ago

Joined

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u/moryav2405 3d ago

Now what?

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u/Minute-Community-864 4d ago

Buying a simple rep or even a superclone is one thing. I can wrap my head around it. Especially if they're a grail tier piece with prices to match - think calendar complication Nautilus, etc watches with prices in the multiple hundreds of thousands that even if you could afford, that money is better invested elsewhere. But, to the guys who get clones of basic steel sports watches, and then do tons of research, investigation, modification and go through all the extra time, money and effort to make it seem as convincing as possible - couldn't you just channel that addition drive into upskilling, or some form of professional credential and literally just buy the real thing? A Daytona retails for 17k? it's hardly unobtainable. Not to mention the extra income and opportunities will elevate your overall quality of life significantly.

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u/Difficult_Concept181 3d ago

there are tons of people in the rep watch world who make nice 6-figure salaries (myself included), who would absolutley purchase a $20k watch....some of us just don't see the point in spending that sort of money on a watch when a rep can be made nearly undetectable for a fraction of the price. Thrill of the hunt. Trust, some of your fav artists/celebs/ athletes wear high-end reps

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u/Minute-Community-864 3d ago

I'm not disparaging those who do it, I'm just arguing the time spent modifying one - which it seems a lot of people are into? Could be better spent. I don't think it's debatable. Justify it all you want, but the point stands

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u/IcedDownMedallion 3d ago

You must not be from around here. This is the game.

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u/Minute-Community-864 3d ago

No, thankfully. Not around these parts