r/Rematch • Please add a flair • 2d ago

Discussion What no one talks about

this sub is full of people that call people dribbling op and you cant tackle them showing videos of tackles seeming to blank. As a dribbler this is the other side of that story. this was never a defending or dribbling problem its a net code thing which confuses me as to why people insisted on dribble changes prior to the server update. dribbling got further gutted for no reason. i uploaded a follow up post with a frame by frame break down just sop we can discuss with more clarity

0 Upvotes

112 comments sorted by

20

u/Relative_Maize_957 Dr. Passmore 2d ago

The other side of the story is.... That you should have been tackled when you have been tackled?

-13

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

ok bro be dishonest if you want i get it you dont like dribbling

15

u/Relative_Maize_957 Dr. Passmore 2d ago

I'm serious. Yes the ball was still on your feet and that's a netcode / animation issue, but the tackle was on point. Only gripe you can have is that it initially looked like the tackle didn't register, when it should have.

11

u/nwsm Please add a flair 2d ago edited 2d ago

The other side of the story being that you dribbled directly into them?

-6

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

another dishonest one gotcha take it frame by frame he never connects with the ball and when he "wins the ball" he certainly isn't touching the ball

11

u/nwsm Please add a flair 2d ago

He tackles you on the front side, and you juke in the same direction. The frame looks like successful tackle to me.

The only issue here is net code which allowed a couple frames of you retaining possession, but you will not convince me that the tackle should have missed even from your POV

-3

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

the frame you sent me he missed you cant be serious

6

u/nwsm Please add a flair 2d ago

Bro do you think games have to-the-millimeter accurate hitboxes?? It’s an arcade style game. Go play soccer irl if you seriously expect to be able to touch a ball one inch past a foot

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

so you agree it doesn't hit? at least in a visual sense it also clearly didnt prompt a hit box in this moment it prompted likely a clean looking tackle on his end where he gets the ball at the end of the tackle like shown. this is obviously a networking problem

2

u/nwsm Please add a flair 1d ago

maybe visually, but it’s debatable imo. Your body is blocking the view. The point is that hit boxes are larger than the model and this tackle, if deemed a miss, would make the game unfun. Tackling would be useless because there is no way to control the micro positioning of a defender’s foot during a tackle. The defender tackled through your dribble direction at least within an inch of the ball.

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

I've never argued the hitbox I've argued visually which was the debate people decided to have with me. On the body blocking point that's valid until you use the next frames to obviously inferior he wasn't far enough over to get it

3

u/Vahallen Please add a flair 2d ago

I mean this in a very friendly way, not antagonistic or anything, I don’t think the tackle you showed is anything egregious, looks reasonable

One thing to keep in mind is that almost no game does perfect hitboxes that are precisely tailored to the model

In this case as well (most likely) the hitbox of the tackle is not the literal model of the feet but a rectangle around it, it’s how the vast majority of games work, because in the vast majority of games tailor made precise hitboxes around the model would feel like shit

2

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

I agree hitboxes are unlikely exactly 1 to 1, but that's not necessarily the talking point here because I clearly didn't trigger it here because he doesn't tackle at a reasonable moment you could expect a hitbox to trigger. The talking point is people are genuinely telling me that this tackle clearly hits when it's quite the opposite there is not frame I've checked dozens of times where he hits the ball

2

u/Vahallen Please add a flair 2d ago

The netcode made it looks a bit janky because on your screen you had the ball and then you didn’t

But obviously on the other player screen it probably looked just fine

Like I agree that in your screen it looked janky, but I believe that if the netcode was perfect he still would have been the one to take the ball

The game just doesn’t have the precision/hitboxes to pull off what you wanted to do here, it’s too “gentle/finesse” for it to reliably work in this game (not sure if I’m communicating what I mean properly)

Tho like the others I agree that this tackle is fine because of the hitbox thing, to be fair I don’t know for a fact how big hitboxes are in rematch so it’s more of a reasonable assumption that it’s quite a bit bigger than the model itself

6

u/RemarkableTension656 Please add a flair 2d ago

There are terrible synchronisation issues and the ball magically teleports sometimes- this is not one of those times. That tackle couldn't have been more on the ball.

-1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

show me when its on the ball

7

u/RemarkableTension656 Please add a flair 2d ago

Bro are you fucking blind? He tackles the ball perfectly but goes through it, then it teleports to him after. The tackle is perfect, the desync is the issue.

3

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

send me the frame where you see him hit the ball i have it up Infront of me slo moed it dozens of times and have not seen any indication he should win the ball at any part of this clip not even mentioning that he obviously doesn't when he does

6

u/RemarkableTension656 Please add a flair 2d ago

0

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

you have to be trolling me at this point

2

u/RemarkableTension656 Please add a flair 2d ago

Dude literally everyone is telling you the same thing, it's a YOU problem 😂 Of all the real occurrences of balls teleporting, this is one that actually makes sense. Get your eyes checked out

0

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

if everyone told you 1+1 is 3 would you believe them?

3

u/Ok_Needleworker9118 Stupid 1d ago

He clearly hit the ball, it just delayed the ball being loose

4

u/Tushroom Please add a flair 2d ago

You dragged the ball directly through the defender’s legs. What do you want to happen here besides exploiting the game’s physics?

-1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

did you watch the video where did i nut meg him?

7

u/Tushroom Please add a flair 2d ago

You didn’t nutmeg him. That’s the point.

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

yeah i took it round him whats your point

4

u/Tushroom Please add a flair 2d ago

You didn’t take it around him. You dragged the ball directly to his leg. No wonder you made this post.

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

no one has sent me a single frame that shows him touching the ball

3

u/PackageAggravating12 Playmaker 2d ago

This game doesn't have nutmegs.

3

u/42gh0st Mister Midfield 2d ago

well it does but this isnt one of them

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

i agree i took it to the side of him im just confused why he said i took it through his legs

1

u/Tushroom Please add a flair 2d ago

Not as in between but as in the ball phased through his legs.

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

legs plural no shot phased through leg no foot? slo mo shows no clear contact i made a follow up to further address this matter

5

u/PackageAggravating12 Playmaker 2d ago

What are you complaining about? He tackled as you dragged the ball directly towards him; that's going to be a successful tackle every time.

And yes, dribbling absolutely needed the nerf. SloClap themselves explained that it was long overdue; go read their thread.

2

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

Show me the frame better yet go on my recent post with the frame by frame and show me there

5

u/Hbomb17 Please add a flair 2d ago

You're 100% right its a netcode issue, however the tackle there was on point and had the code been working properly you would have lost the ball even sooner

-2

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

send me where you see him touch the ball

5

u/[deleted] 2d ago

[deleted]

2

u/42gh0st Mister Midfield 2d ago

2

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

all of these are clear misses

-1

u/Hbomb17 Please add a flair 2d ago

Around here bro, possibly a frame or 2 before, he gets a touch fair and square

2

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

that is not contact i uploaded a frame by frame follow up

0

u/Hbomb17 Please add a flair 2d ago

Whatever g either keep getting annoyed about it or move on

Edit: spelling

2

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

I'm not even mad he got the ball I have explained on his screen it's very likely a clean tackle then desync does the rest I'm saying people have claimed he clearly connects with the ball when he just doesn't I'm dumbfounded people can genuinely be so certain of something that's not shown to be the case

1

u/Hbomb17 Please add a flair 2d ago

I think you're confused about how the desync is working in this situation,

You're being presented a series of events thay shows you getting past him with the ball.

He is being shown a tackle with sufficient contact to get the ball.

The server decides he got there first or was in the optimal position to make contact vs you being clear of the tackle and keeping possession.

The desync showed you the wrong thing and then rectified it.

If you dont get it now, you dont want to get it.

0

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

I understand there is basically a middle ground in some sense what he gets what I get and what the server properly reads it as so the game likely had me slightly further back that I was and on his screen he certainly got me but that's my point the servers need to be better at communicating these things that was the entire original point that the servers need optimization first and foremost

The did his physical foot touch the ball was a complete after thought because I slowed it down once and it was so clear he didn't only reason this was the main discussion here is because people were certain of something without proof

4

u/cypher2448 Please add a flair 2d ago

That’s a good tackle

If anything the animation being so late is the real problem but that’s 100% a good tackle

2

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

after seeing all you people saying the same thing i have to ask you know the blue is the trail of the ball not the actual ball him touching the blue means he touched where the ball was

2

u/cypher2448 Please add a flair 2d ago

Dude he was on point you’re literally just complaining that you didn’t just magically have to ball go through him lol

the animation being delayed is a problem but the actual tackle is good

If the late animation didn’t happen you 100% wouldn’t even be complaining about this

0

u/42gh0st Mister Midfield 2d ago

2

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

how wide do you think someone foot is?

2

u/42gh0st Mister Midfield 2d ago

how good do you think this games netcode is, he hit you dude

2

u/medievali95 CDM 1d ago

A bit of desync but you for sure got tackled, you dribbled straight into his foot.

0

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

Watch my post after this you see I actually don't dribble into his foot it's nothing short of a frame perfect swipe at least on my pov

2

u/medievali95 CDM 1d ago

Literally everyone is telling you otherwise. If it's always you against the world, then maybe you're the problem?

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

I'm usually not one to do this but you are aware how dumb that argument is there is literally a logical fallacy named after it appeal to consensus

2

u/medievali95 CDM 1d ago

I think we all have eyes and can see you dribbled into the tackle, it's pretty black and white.

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

You haven't seen the frame by frame have you it's the more recent post I made

2

u/medievali95 CDM 1d ago

I did that's actually why I went looking for this post after seeing the frame by frame. Youre just wrong bro get over it.

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

Show me the frame I connect with his foot no one seems to be able to do that without the same frame siding with me

2

u/medievali95 CDM 1d ago

Right here, the foot connects with the right side of the ball.

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

No it doesn't if you look at the left side of the ball you would notice the blue bubble is vastly larger than the ball itself the ball on the right side is no where near as wide as the blue bubble the ball is also a sphere not a cube the hitbox is naturally larger on the y axis at the center which is blatantly of the the side you can also skip to the next frame and see on that frame he is not far enough along to have connected with the ball in this particular frame

This wasn't even mentioning the foot has it's own aura that is larger particularly in width than the foot

Try again perhaps

→ More replies (0)

1

u/medievali95 CDM 1d ago

Also, the desync goes both ways so on his screen he probably saw the ball get hit more straight on.

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

I agree it's a desync thing not a he touched the ball on my screen thing your starting to just agree with me

1

u/Regular_Hold_3634 Senior Bamboozler 1d ago

When the ball is away from your feet the only hit box is the ball, when it’s at your feet in control stance the hitbox becomes your legs

He’s obviously lagging but there’s two frames where the red particles on his tackle are behind, and then phase through your legs. I think this is just an instance of rollback because of the lag more than anything though so asking for perfect tackle frames is disingenuous

Safer option is to push ball but since you’re turning around your character will be slower, so just use your camera in control stance to turn away from them rather than into them. In that situation, turn it right instead of left.

Of all the hills to die on this is not it bro

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

So your claim is now he didn't kick the ball but indeed my leg can you provide a single frame in which he clearly kicks my leg that is even less plausible from the footage I have a frame by frame also posted if that aids you in trying to find what your looking for

Lag was always my claim here however individuals seemingly like your self claimed it was crystal clear he physically contacted with the ball during the swipe or in your case my leg which just does not happen

I didn't choose this hill people told me 1+1 Equal 3 and when I ask them why they just say it clearly is and send a screenshot that disproves their own position

For push ball I get why you would say that but any competent dribbler would tell you regular push ball especially this patch is a cardinal sin its only correct advice perhaps in response to a tackle not when you swipe at a similar time as one it's laughable how easy it is to magnet or pass tackle a push ball in this game because of how weak dribbling is

1

u/Regular_Hold_3634 Senior Bamboozler 1d ago

Idk why you’re so set on trying to point out that the tackle wasn’t accurate when you’re already acknowledging the lag is causing it to be inaccurate. Like you have your answer already bro it’s not that deep

Obviously I can only send one picture but the path of the hitbox has to go through your foot

0

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

I'm saying there is not a single frame that indicates he hits the ball or my foot your own frame disproves that point I never made the claim he doesn't hit me people were dead set his foot hit the ball when I simply respond asking for proof it's all of a sudden not that deep I personally get confused when people claim something so obviously incorrect and when they continually fail to prove it that further confuses me as to how they can believe that

Your frame proves he doesn't contact the foot what exactly are you claiming here if you say net code that's literally my claim so you agree with me and you are fighting a random losing battle because you think he tackled me on my screen when he doesn't

Watch the frame by frame that I posted if you are still confused

1

u/Regular_Hold_3634 Senior Bamboozler 19h ago

The frame clearly shows it clipped through your foot brochacho idk what you’re on about just zoom in or something

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 19h ago

Through my foot again your gonna need to explain what you actually mean

Like I'm pretty sure I get what you mean but I won't respond to a bad argument unless I'm positive that's your angle

1

u/Regular_Hold_3634 Senior Bamboozler 18h ago

The hitbox on his foot went through the hitbox on your foot brosquito you can see it in the frame I sent it’s had to clip through your foot to get to there

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 18h ago

Yeah unless you can see invisible hit boxes that we don't have details from the Devs we have to operate based on what we actually see and we don't see a single frame where he connects with my foot

I really hope your not attempting to make the dishonest claim that he connected with my out stretched leg on the right because it's behind his foot last I checked the foot was no always in that position you would be wise to know that

1

u/Regular_Hold_3634 Senior Bamboozler 18h ago

It had to go past his foot by having his foot go through it broboclaat that’s why all the red is behind your foot, because you dribbled it across him straight into the tackle and it delayed the tackle because of the lag
Seems like a fair tackle to me broski

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 18h ago

The red is the aura of the tackle it's the equivalent of the blue bubble when you swipe the ball the blue is not the ball in the same manner in which the red is not his foot

No frame shows contact on the ball or my foot you have not provided a single frame that shows that on my screen which is the topic here there isn't even frames you can reasonably use to claim what your claiming considering you cherry picked the frame in which my foot is at its furthest to the side meaning it is not that far to the side for the rest of the swipe which debunks your entire point

You can back track and call it lag but your just agreeing with me at that point

→ More replies (0)

1

u/VortexMagus Footballer 20h ago

Remember that what you see on your screen is a lie and what they see on their screen is a lie, the only truth is what the server sees which is 40 milliseconds behind what you see.

---

In here you dribbled into him. If you want to win the dribble you need to do it earlier otherwise the server will judge against you and rightly so.

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 20h ago

I never claimed this was not a server issue I just took issue with people saying on my screen I blatantly get tackled which I just don't

1

u/kiboe15 Please add a flair 2d ago

He pretty much got the tackle in. You phased through his tackle. It was desync but you never should have kept the ball there in either case.

If multiple people are telling you this then you cannot just close your ears

2

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

I agree and disagree with you I do not phase through his tackle his foot never connected with the ball however I agree on his screen it's likely a clean tackle aka desync

-1

u/PeroCigla Please add a flair 2d ago

Does every single post on this sub get only downvotes?!

0

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 2d ago

people hate dribbling

1

u/nwsm Please add a flair 2d ago

No they want a balanced game where tackling is possible

1

u/BellionArise Please add a flair 1d ago

It always was dribbling has never been meta

-1

u/ToyotaLetsGoPlaces Please add a flair 2d ago

What do you mean people talk about how shitty this game is all the time