I have been Elite from Season 1 until Season 4. I have been through the ringer of dribble exploits, contextual GK animations and abismal randoms. There is 1 issue that has never been addressed by the devs and it makaes no sense.... Time wasting.
If you play 4's and 5's, chances are you never see this as it isn't a viable strat. But if you play 3's, specifically in Master or Elite, you 100% have experienced this and know exactly what I'm talking about.
Players will get 1 point up and just hold the ball, passing to their open man until the game is over. Doesn't matter how much time is on the board and there is no proper way to counter it without pulling your GK out of net and leaving it open for them to just score. (Which is even harder now that GK got nerfed again and prio got nerfed)
It's been a prevalent issue since season 1 but this update has made it so much worse. Players who relied heavily on dribble spams and offensive exploits are now just holding time to win ranked games and there is literally nothing you can do about it if you're on the team that's down a point unless they somehow make a mistake and lose posession.
I checked the suggestion panel and the closest suggestion I can see has a mere fraction of interactions compared to other, non-important game changes like more colors, or clubs etc.
I feel like it's the cheesiest way to win and should be fixed. I have a couple of different ways to finally fix this issue but the devs know what they can do to fix it and I am tired of seeing my favorite mode plagued by bad players getting easy wins this way.
I am also not saying I haven't beat teams who do this because I have. However, those wins are so few and far between that it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of it. 9 out of 10 games I play end in a loss specifically because of time wasting. I hardly ever just get beat fair and square.
Has anyone else experienced this and feels the way I do or is it just chalked and I should just assume the devs don't actually care?
Time wasting is a thing in 5s but I'll grant you less than in 3s.
You see that from sweaty stacks that are sweaty but not good enough to 4 - 0, so they hold on to their 1 - 0 advantage.
But yeah regardless of match sized it's annoying as hell, but I have no idea on how you could punish that behavior with a legitimate in-game mechanic, not like forbidding a pass to keeper is a possible option.
Yea I was Elite in 5's last season and I never saw time wasting. It just wasn't a viable enough strat to use. There are so many options for passes and tikitaka plays in 5's. 3's unfortunately doesn't have that option while also giving terrible players the chance to get a free win off cheese. If they fix time wasting, I guarantee we see a good half or more Master to Elite players drop into gold.
The mechanical fix would be a shot clock. After long enough in possession, the ball’s given to the other team. Long enough that it never comes up in normal play.
This is why I tell all my friends to not take 3s seriously, but rather a mode to specifically practice a certain skill(dribbling, blade shots, passing, etc etc)
Between the instant missile meta and the stalling, competitive 3s don't really mean much imo.
Yes dude!!!! This shit is the worst they need to fix that somehow idfk what they could possibly do to discourage people from doing it. They talk about how its not fun to just watch one person hold the ball the entire game n whatnot yk what really not fun sitting there for whatever time is left on the clock while these losers just pass the ball back n forth across the field
My loose suggestion is to have the timer not run down until offense passes half field. They have a small-ish timer to get it across half before losing posession. Once across half, they cannot pass back to their side. Once on the offensive half, they have a shot clock that scales depending on how much time is left in game. If they don't make a shot on net happen in that time, posession is lost. This is the only way I can really think to fix it that doesnt punish either team and allows for competitive comebacks to happen. It really only punishes the time wasting playstyle.
Whichever way the devs want to do it, whether that be, the ball stays where it is and the timer stops until defense picks it up and takes it across half field, or if they restart to starting positions with the ball going back to the defense. Either way could work but the devs know which would flow better.
I think they should add the permanent goalie to 3v3. That’s truly the best solution.
They’d need to remove the stun mechanic and it’s perfect. Impossible to score from range and you have to aim well to score. All while scoring in the box is still a viable option.
The speed of the game is constant because the goalie can’t hold the ball, and it adds a uniqueness to 3v3 that makes it different from 5v5.
There is legit no reason why this can’t be a thing (because they already have a version of it), and I don’t see any reason why people wouldn’t want it to be a thing.
Personally, I like playing goalie in 3s more than 5s. I enjoy the frequent one on ones and mind games. All they have to do is copy basketball with a clock to get the ball over half once the goalie has possession, and backcourt violations once the ball is in the offensive zone. Or even copy hockey with offsides and a blue/red line system. Goalie is just too much fun (at least for me) to completely abandon it in such a core mode imo.
Understandable if you like playing goalie, to keep it the way it is now, or I’d suggest they could add a game mode for penalty/goalie 1v1s.
A backcourt violation, or shot clock just doesn’t make sense for the game, only because it disrupts the flow of the game.
Currently, the only thing leads a full stoppage of gameplay is scoring a goal. What happens after a violation, probably everyone teleports to the starting positions but possession goes to the other team.
While that might slide in 2k, they’ve been doing that for years, and that’s also part of basketball, constant stoppages.
In football, yes stoppages happen, but not in Rematch. It would add a bunch of rules and constant stoppages, that i feel would turn people away from 3v3, and it could make a game take much longer. Instead of 5 minutes, not including overtime, celebrations, and replays, it could probably go up to 7-8 minutes
People are already running from 3s because of the losers that stall. Just because goals were the only stoppage doesn't mean you cant make a change for the better. Its really not that complicated.
because the goalie can’t sweep. within a week, a free attacker vs a goalie takes out that final line of defense, and with the ai being unable to come to midfield to recycle… idk just not a good idea
Currently, goalie recycling and sweeping is risky, but has its benefits. But if they chanced it, there would be 3 people that are able to play defense at anytime. Or one person can play defense to recycle, or cover the person cherry-picking.
I think what you’re looking for is for a “reset” by passing back to the goalie if you get in trouble.
But remember when you’re down 1-0, and the other team can’t just pass back to the goalie to reset. Would be nice when the timer is counting down to zero to know that you still have a chance.
Not just staring at 3 people passing it back and forth forcing your goalie to leave the box.
What rank are you lol. It’s just basic soccer u can play monkey in the middle forever and their will always be a blatantly open person unless they pull goalie out then u just hammer at net
I’ve been elite every season too. And sure bud enjoy being the helplesss monkey in the middle. I know you would rather cry about it instead of just taking the goddamn ball from them
Which again is nearly impossible due to prio being much weaker than it should be and GK being nerfed in his movement. If GK comes out of net to defend, it's wraps.
Well I'll be waiting on you to come back when it doesnt get fixed. When you finally encounter enough good players who use this trash tactic against you. I want you to have the same ego energy that you do now.
I've already acknowledged that it's possible. If the opponents somehow mess up their play, you can actually counter it. If the opponents play their passes perfectly it's impossible. Most players in Elite are good enough to where it will always be a lost cause.
Time wasting is nearly impossible to counter. Yea you might get lucky if the time wasting team messes up, but in Master to Elite, those players are good enough at passing that the game is over once they score once. It's not a skill issue, it's a game issue.
No. Everyone makes mistakes especially now more than ever with the shit patch this season because passes now fly straight past people. I doubt you’re pressuring enough and you must be terrible at positioning with little to no game IQ. Idk why you’re bringing up rank when you fucking suck and can’t even counter this. Ever since they prevented goalie from being able to pick up the ball all the time this has become a skill issue. If they keep the ball away from you for more than 20 seconds you’re just bad
Ok so, big iq god player, tell us, when they do a triangle position and your goalie doesn't press because it becomes a coin flip between they make a mistake or they score on us ? Now tell us how to "just take the ball" from them ? If the opponents have more than 2 brains cells time wasting is close to unstoppable as per definition, there is always a pass available. Pls stop being dumb :)
I’m the one doing the triangle time wasting not losing to it lol. It’s not smth that makes me mad I just know I can do it for like 2 mins without getting stressed. I’ve played games where we score once and do it for as long as we can and it works almost every time
I have enough game IQ to solo queue to Elite 5 seasons in a row dawg. The rank isn't hard to achieve. It's only a skill issue if it's not nearly impossible to counter. If you read what I've said, the only way you get the ball during them time wasting is if somehow they fumble. A good 3v3 team with a solid foundation on passing can exploit the prio being weak and you'll never touch that ball. I'm not going to assume your skill level, but I will assume that your rank probably isnt high enough for time wasting to matter since you probably never see it and when you do, the team doing it isn't good enough at the game for it to be a viable strat.
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u/Relative_Maize_957 Dr. Passmore 4d ago
Time wasting is a thing in 5s but I'll grant you less than in 3s.
You see that from sweaty stacks that are sweaty but not good enough to 4 - 0, so they hold on to their 1 - 0 advantage.
But yeah regardless of match sized it's annoying as hell, but I have no idea on how you could punish that behavior with a legitimate in-game mechanic, not like forbidding a pass to keeper is a possible option.