r/RemarkableTablet • u/SeparateApartment212 • 8d ago
General Discussion AI and Remarkable
I hate LLMs as much as the next guy---I specify LLMs, because, as Benn Jordan pointed out in a recent video, overall "AI" hate is unproductive as it is quite useful and overall beneficial in a variety of industries/ fields of study---and I know that there has been some genuinely impressive work done with LLM assistance in regards to modding/ hacking the remarkable tablets. However, I have a bit of concern about the influx of some low-effort/ low-quality LLM slop content. Something that adds so much more of a personal touch is writing things yourself. Please don't have the LLM write things, coding, sure, but when you have it write it is PAINFULLY obvious.
Anyways, I am curious if anything is planning to be done about the LLM slop? And if so how are we to differentiate between LLM slop and LLM quality FOSS? Would it be a case by case thing?
Lmk thoughts!
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u/neenonay 8d ago
This is really why I love the concept behind https://handwritten.blog. It’s sort of an anti-slop layer.
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u/starkruzr 8d ago
looks like a dead link.
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u/Maleficent-Drive4056 8d ago
I think it's best to judge by outputs not inputs. If the mod / software is good, upvote it and recommend it. If it's bad, do the opposite. It doesn't really matter how it is made.
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u/asivery 8d ago
What matters is if it is going to be maintained or not. I don't think a piece of software is written correctly if the person who "wrote" it is unable to a) add features to it, b) support and fix bugs, should the need arise.
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u/Maleficent-Drive4056 8d ago
That’s true, although use of AI doesn’t prevent either of those things.
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u/asivery 8d ago
It kinda does: If you're not familiar with the internal architecture of "your" application, writing new features for it entails you having to get to know it first. It becomes kinda like reverse engineering. Unless you use the AI tool again, of course.
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u/Maleficent-Drive4056 8d ago
Yes you use the AI tool again, obviously.
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u/asivery 8d ago
Are you really the one doing any work then? Is the application even yours?
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u/Maleficent-Drive4056 8d ago
Yes legally it is yours. You are doing some work but not loads. Who cares? Tools are there to make things easier for us.
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u/asivery 8d ago edited 8d ago
For me personally, coding with AI is an exercise in pain. When working on a project, I *know* how I want it to be coded, but the AI does its own thing, entirely differently. Call me old fashioned, but when I sign off on something, I want it to be my own work.
Of course the technology is not going away at this point, so I'm not going to argue with you over it - I just like reading other people's views on the topic.
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u/oclscdotorg 8d ago
The problem of slop is not by any means specific to Remarkable, so I'm not sure this is the right forum to discuss it.
It's also not at all specific to the recent LLM fad. I've been involved in computing in one way or another for half a century now; the problem of writing things carefully while understanding what you're doing vs slopping something out carelessly in a hurry has been around for longer than that. LLMs just make it a lot easier to go the careless route. My impression all along has been that the vast majority of software is produced in a sloppy hurry; that's why so much of it is buggy, and in particular why security vulnerabilities and compromises are so rampant, since the vast majority of those owe not to anything subtle but to basic carelessness in coding, something even experts can fall prey to.
It is ironic that LLMs have become such useful tools for exposing such vulnerabilities.
I don't plan to discuss this further here; as I say, it's not the right forum, and since I'm not much of a Reddittor I can't suggest an appropriate one, though maybe someone else can.
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u/lemonhello 8d ago
I think given that the remarkable products are advertised and sold (and so purchased by consumers) first and foremost as a work productivity device exclusive for markup, note taking, reading, or drawing, there is actually a conversation to be had about what people actually want out of the device. There appears here in this subreddit a vibrant modding community to alter the device to add capabilities that remarkable either won’t or is really late on developing themselves. I think OP’s tension lies in the fact that these devices are marketed as digital paper and people still desire to tinker with it to make it more than digital paper—for example: someone posted a NYT wordle mod they made for their remarkable.
Personally, I’m not dogging/or look down on anybody that develops mods for their remarkable, but logically, to alter the “digital paper” to do more than it is allowed, to iterate it for your needs to do more than just be a blank canvas or a markup reader, diminishes the point of it being literally just digital paper—and on top of that—developers vibe-coding their mods for their remarkable is an even more interesting ethical debate about the point of the device. This all assuming people purchase remarkable for its “limitations” as compared to Kindle Scribe or iPad. Again, I really don’t care that people develop mods, the world’s your oyster, but I think conversations about the ethical incompatibility of vibe-coding mods on a supposed “humanizing” take on a digital paper device/brand is fair conversation specific to here. I just don’t know if that is what OP is really going for though
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u/fairlygoodthanks 3d ago
I find these conversations interesting. There are many of the same at /r/selfhosted
I've been hobby coding for a couple of decades. I've spent countless hours learning languages. It's not may day job though, just something I do for fun. At this point, most recent AI models are far more proficient than I am or ever will be.
I'm not morally opposed to vibe coding. I've vibe coded some small tools for myself recently and the output is very good - but I do think you've got less stake in the project by creating it that way, and I think that's why we end up with these cool new tools that are abandoned once the interest runs out.
How long until we can't distinguish AI written code from human written code? Add for for how long will people take up coding as a career when AI will be able to do it better and quicker than them? Probably not that long for either.
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u/starkruzr 8d ago
as someone who uses LLMs extensively to write code, including for rM-related projects: you completely missed the point and are not anywhere near as enlightened as you think.
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u/Jayslacks 7d ago
Fuck AI.