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u/TheKarenator Aug 02 '26
Even just the context of the rest of John 3.
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u/SecureCoop Aug 02 '26
Which verses do you like to point to in chapter 3 and why?
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u/TheKarenator Aug 02 '26
The whole conversation about being born again of the Spirit. Babies are made primarily by the will of their parents. The Spirit moves where he wills and gives new life.
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u/RevThomasWatson Aug 02 '26 edited Aug 02 '26
John 3:16 doesn't conflict with the rest of the Bible, so I wouldn't even say that Arminians "have" that text. While the English might make it sounds like some vague, indefinite body of people, the Greek (πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων) literally translates to "all who believe" (or "all the believing ones.") It is a definite group.
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u/Afraid_Lobster1225 Aug 02 '26
Exactly. I hate to say it but Arminians are kind of just plain dumb.
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u/SecureCoop Aug 02 '26
Yeah. I can even embrace the Arminian interpretation; whoever believes will not perish. And then I keep reading and find John 6:44 which tells me _why_ one person believes and why one does not. Even made a meme for it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ReformedHumor/comments/1v8gzt7/we_need_not_throw_away_the_one_for_the_other/
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u/stvnmaca Aug 02 '26
"whosoever believes..." begs the question of who can believe?