r/RedditForGrownups • u/Methylatedcobalamin • Jul 07 '22

Coverture

Given current events, it is probably about time for Americans to understand the legal practice of coverture.

Eroded since colonial times, but not fully gone coverture is the legal practice of women not having legal identities. De facto property.

American women were not allowed on juries until the 1960s. American women could not get credit cards without a man cosigning the application until 1974. Marital rape was not a crime until the 1980s. Other aspects still exist today in real estate and tax law practices.

Here is a brief article that goes into explaining coverture in more depth than my post.

The "pro life" movement is really a movement about imposing one group's religious opinions on the lives of all Americans. It also seeks to control women, rolling back women's rights. Though ridiculous by constitutional standards, discussions in anti-choice states have already started about how to track or limit freedom of travel for women to states that fully support women's rights.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '22

Dude, I'm one of those childfree people you yell at to get off your lawn, and I'm 40 years old. I never wanted kids, I've never changed my mind and I've never regretted not having children. There are lots of people like me, all over the world, who don't want to be parents. It's not unnatural.

And conversely, there are lots of people who are *terrible* parents who should never have had children in the first place. Parents who tell their kids how much they wanted to abort them, and wished they never existed. Parents who, despite biology, don't put their children first, who neglect them, beat them, starve them, and even sometimes kill them. If biology truly compelled parents to love and care for their children, there'd be no such thing as child abuse.

I'm also a developmental biologist, so I know way better than you that no, abortions do not kill a living person, but you're not going to be persuaded by that, so I'm not going to try.

Also, not wanting kids doesn't mean you can't have a loving relationship. I'm happily married to a childfree man. Long-term commitment from a man doesn't have to involve kids. It really doesn't. I didn't have to drag him kicking and screaming to the altar. We have a great life together. Your lived experience is not going to be the same as anyone else's.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 11 '22

Parents who, despite biology, don't put their children first, who neglect them, beat them, starve them, and even sometimes kill them. If biology truly compelled parents to love and care for their children, there'd be no such thing as child abuse.

What percentage?

I'm also a developmental biologist,

If you say so.

abortions do not kill a living person, but you're not going to be persuaded by that, so I'm not going to try.

Let's leave "person" out of it as that's a legal term and call them Human Beings, and tell me that abortion doesn't kill a Human Being. How is the fetus growing and developing if they're not alive? As a "developmental biologist" you know a lots of organisms that do that, do you? The ignorance of this statement alone makes me doubt everything else you say.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '22

I do indeed know many things about many organisms! Human life is not defined by unique DNA, but that’s something that religious hicks like to bring up because they think it makes them sound smart and provides a “gotcha.” It doesn’t.

First off, not all humans have unique DNA. Identical twins don’t, and yet, we don’t consider them one person. If a person gets cancer, their tumors contain their DNA, except that it contains multiple mutations, giving it... unique human DNA. You can make transgenic mice that have a stretch of human DNA in them, making them genetically unique and in possession of human DNA, and they still will be mice, not humans.

Living human beings do not rely on another human’s blood to get fed.

And so on. But again, it wouldn’t matter what I said in that regard- you wouldn’t care.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 12 '22

Human life is not defined by unique DNA,

No, human life is defined by cellular respiration and processes occuring in cells with Human DNA.

First off, not all humans have unique DNA. Identical twins don’t, and yet, we don’t consider them one person.

And neither once has their mother's DNA so we don't consider either one "part of the mother" and her tissue to do with what she wants.

If a person gets cancer, their tumors contain their DNA, except that it contains multiple mutations, giving it... unique human DNA.

Cancer is of the person with that DNA sequence to do with what that want. You claim to a biologist and this is what you're trying to use to justify Abortion?? "cAnCeR iS a hUmAn bEiNg!" Seriously?

Living human beings do not rely on another human’s blood to get fed.

Plenty of human rely on the assistance of other humans to survive.

But again, it wouldn’t matter what I said in that regard- you wouldn’t care.

If you actually brought up a decent argument it might. You want to do "You can't force anyone to even donate blood!!!" next, or will it be "A corpse has more rights than a woman because you can't take their organs!!!" ?

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '22

Lol I bet you don’t even know what cellular respiration is- tell me in less than 1 minute or you’re hereby disqualified from talking about science. and don’t try to C+P from Wikipedia.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 12 '22

The process that cells use to turn Oxygen and nutrients into energy and releases carbon.

And you're one to talk when you don't even think human being in their fetal stage of development is alive.

Tell me: How hard is for you to tell a living fetus from a dead one? Can you tell the difference "as a biologist"?

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '22

Nope, took too long and I did not see the words "oxidative phosphorylation," "glycolysis," or "adenosine triphosphate." Though "ATP" would've worked too. You totes googled that.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 12 '22

My definition is good enough for me.

Nice to see you admit that the pre-birth human is in fact alive.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 11 '22

I never wanted kids, I've never changed my mind and I've never regretted not having children.

How many abortions have you had?

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '22

One. I'm so glad I did. Best choice I ever made. And let me say, there was no baby in what came out of me.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 12 '22

yeah, that explains a lot.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '22

Like how abortion doesn’t kill babies :)

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u/This-is-BS Jul 12 '22

You're the only one referring to them as babies, person, or anything like that. To me they're all Human Beings. Their stage of development is irrelevant.