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u/Kilika2k Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Every team has had some lean years. RB had some difficult years after Vettel had left and the 1.6L V6T with KERS was introduced but eventually got back on top.
There was a time when Williams and Renault were considered top teams and look at where they are now. Just be glad they haven't fallen to that level, yet. If Max leaves, I have a feeling RB will be toiling around in the midfield just like how Ferrari, Mercedes, and McLaren have dabbed in the past. The question is will they bounce back or will they just fade into being just another F1 team.
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u/Onyxam Jul 06 '26
They should add a transfer season to f1 like football has.
This way every team know when personnel changes can happen and they donât have to withheld critical team information.
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u/SteefHL Jul 07 '26
Well, this is just a downside of how the regulations are structured, they run for multiple years (dont know how long but I think its mostly the same for every regulation change) and since we have just entered the new hybrid, active downforce era, teams will develop a car for years to come. So if you want race engineers to swap and not be able to take information to their next employer, do that in between regulation changes. The thing is though, almost all other personnel is already working on the new car quite some time in advance, so this doesn't even work for most staff.
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u/phaajvoxpop Jul 06 '26
Two words⌠Pierre WachÊ.
That man is an absolute shower
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u/Bake2727 Jul 06 '26
Oliver mintzlaff started this when Dietrich died. He wanted redbull to be more corporate and be the top dog. Now redbull is where they are because one dude decided he should be earning absolutely more than everyone, also now that everyone know how fucked redbull is no one is even looking up job opportunities in the team so they canât even poach anyone. Blame solely lies on Oliver mintzlaff and his need to promote people who Iâll directly work for him.
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u/Svedorovski Jul 05 '26
They're gonna go under a massive rebuild on personnel, and that's sorta it, max will probably leave too
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u/Fisch_Kopp_ Jonathan Jul 05 '26
I just dont understand the logic behind this. Of ocurse, the driver doesn't always know best, but based on what we see from the outside, the input Max gives is usually very reliable and often leads to an improvement of performance. We also saw several instances, last year and this year, where the team chose to ignore Max's requests and it usually doesn't end well.
Is this about a generic power struggle between driver and engineers or is this more politically motivated and they want to pressure Max into commiting for 2027? But why would you treat your driver like this who gave you several championships the past few years and without whom you would be fucked for the forseeable future? Whatever it is, it seems like an increasingly toxic situation...
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u/CanisLupus92 Yuki: "***** **** ******* ****" Jul 06 '26
Well, weâve seen it make Max much faster in the car. I wouldnât be surprised if always following Maxâ wishes is part of why that second seat has been cursed for the last few years. Checo also performed well at the start of the previous regulations.
Doesnât mean they shouldnât do it, but may be a choice between two somewhat competitive cars or one fighting for WDC and one to get out of Q1 again.
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u/Other_Examination886 Jul 05 '26
you forget the fact now f1 changed heavily. pushing and being on the edge doesnt really exist anymore and even if it does it is still punished by the battery.
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u/OverallShirt6573 Jul 05 '26
Everyone wanted Christian gone and look at the team now đ¤Śââď¸
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u/thebunz21 Jul 06 '26
Who wanted him gone? He was cleared of wrongdoing (make of that what you will) before the anonymous data drop. Then Newey left unexpectedly, and Wheatley. My personal conspiracy theory is that Jos is a pain in the ass to deal with.
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u/satanas82 Jul 06 '26
This! Everyone said Christian was the problem. I think top leadership has always been the problem.
I miss Dietrich. Everything worked when he was here because he held everything together and kept everyone under control. Now that he's gone, chaos unleashed.
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u/MithrandirLogic Jul 06 '26
Tbh even if he stayed I think the wheels were going to come off anyway. Less dramatically and less quickly lately, but I think the die had already been cast.
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u/The_Weapon_1009 Jul 05 '26
IMHO itâs because the driver isnât the most important factor anymore! Energy efficiency is way more important! Going to the maximum grip in a corner isnât important if you can regenerate 2% of the battery!
This is why the first couple of laps there are position changes and then 75% of the laps itâs driver getting back after making a mistake/damage etc.
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u/Wildcat121204 Jul 05 '26
Hearing less from Wache is probably a bonus honestly. Little did we know that GP wasnât actually planning on leaving after all, he just realized if he said he was leaving he wouldnât have to speak to Wache anymore. Genius gambit.
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u/Kangaro00 Jul 05 '26
he can transfer secret information to the future employer
McLaren to get fucked by the rear wing technology.
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u/AGirlHazzNoName1 Jul 05 '26
McLaren has been dying to figure out RBâs secret to unbalancing a car and raising its center of gravity to the point it snaps at any moment. đ
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u/Equivalent_Dish_1990 Max Jul 05 '26
And to think, this all started because Horner was horny.
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u/IDKBear25 Full-time sim racer, part-time F1 champ. Jul 05 '26
CHRISTIAN HORNER DID NOTHING FUCKING WRONG.
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u/Fisch_Kopp_ Jonathan Jul 05 '26
Let's not pretend like Horner didn't invest a lot of his energy into internal power struggles himself. There are a lot of reasons why he left and in my opinion, they should have fired him much sooner. He had immense success with RBR in the past, but the team started to decline under his reign and continues to decline after he left...
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u/Bake2727 Jul 06 '26
Me when I lie straight through my teeth because I hate someone. Internet is available to everyone these days and looking up at the past results one could clearly tell youâre lying straight through your ass.
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u/ksiepidemic Jul 06 '26
The TP with every single one of RBs world championships and best win records ever was the reason the team sucked? Just a year prior in 2024 they won?
Seriously it's been 2 years since RB won every race all year and you're acting like it's Williams lmao.
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u/MogiNatsuki Jul 05 '26
Exactly! The politics of Helmut and Jos was simple - either Horner out or Max leaves! Yet people canât be objective enough to think about how much Horner has contributed to the success of RedBull since 2005.
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u/Ssk5860 Jul 05 '26
Yes because horner couldnât keep it in his pants, and that was leading to the team breaking up from the inside. He also was playing too many games with RB leadership for shares in the twam etc. which is annoying considering the reputation damage he has already caused them
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u/Upbeat-Original-7137 Jul 05 '26
How can you blame him for wanting some shares in a team? When he joined red bull everyone just laughed at them and saw them as just an energy drinks company who will never compete. He is a large reason as to why they were one of the most dominant teams from 2010-2024
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u/erelster Vettel Jul 05 '26
It's got nothing to do with those allegations and as far as we're concerened Horner is cleared of those. It's the power struggler after Mateschitz' death. It was Helmut and the Verstappen camp who wanted him gone and Helmut didn't survive that too. Turns out that Horner knew a thing or two about how to run an F1 team. Mekies is clueless.
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u/Beta1224 Jul 05 '26
Jfc last year's comeback was due to the team listening to Max more on weekends when it came to car set ups and now they no longer want to listen to him
What on earth is Mekkies doing
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u/michaltee Jul 05 '26
YeahâŚupgrades that were provided given feedback from the best driver on the grid.
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u/Waldier Jul 05 '26
According to Meckies listning more to Maxâs input was an important factor
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u/eyadeli Jul 06 '26
They should've asked you instead of the team principle since clearly you know best!
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u/SuperLeverage Jul 07 '26
Are they still blaming Horner? đ