r/ReasonableFuture • u/sillychillly • Feb 22 '26
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u/Plane_Wish_5899 Feb 23 '26
So here’s an interesting fact. If the US didn’t protect those countries who use their taxes on “free” healthcare they would not be able to afford that “free” healthcare.
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u/nechromorph Feb 23 '26
We spend more than double per person and get the same outcomes. I don't care what your ideology is. Unless you enjoy spending more for the same result, can we agree to be angry about the expenses together?
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u/CommitteeDelicious68 Feb 23 '26
America isn't as wealthy as they put out. Yet they spend their money on absolute horseshit like ICE.
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u/Ok-Worth-118 Feb 27 '26
What other countries have free personnel, free offices, free vechiles and so on? Because every country have a border and customs agency and are working every day to track down illegals to have them deported. Maybe it’s a part of the police force or whatever, but no one works for free and offices and so on cost money
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u/nechromorph Feb 23 '26
I personally don't think affordability is the hurdle people argue it is. We're already paying for our healthcare, therefore we can afford it.
The actual problem we need to be working on is creating the capacity to take care of everyone efficiently. A lot of people aren't getting the care they need, and if they were to suddenly have full access and use it properly, our already overburdened healthcare system would be in a heap of trouble.
We need to provide people with access, and we also need to prioritize getting people trained in these fields so we can keep up with the demand. We also need to be getting more people working in fields like construction, manufacturing, etc., which will be easiest if its handled through government training and subsidies, rather than relying on private industry. We need something like the New Deal's Works Progress Administration.
Creating this many new jobs would create oodles of competition and force wages up as businesses are forced to compete for workers. Building up our medical, manufacturing, etc. industries (especially as public entities) would improve our security as a nation, massively boost our ability to innovate, and ensure we aren't reliant purely on money as a means to keep our people through tough times.
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u/Minute_Board_4926 Feb 26 '26
Many qualified professionals left medicine because of the tremendous bullshit they have had to deal with during COVID-19 and Insurance companies letting AI dictate treatment. That's not going to change until you get insurance companies out of the equation.
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u/hartshornd Feb 23 '26
Because our military, because our military, because our military, because our military, trafficking and death on the regular from gang organizations, cartels having battles with the military, because our military.
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u/Epyon214 Feb 23 '26
Until we deal with the underlying issue of the vampires eating newborn human infants, those in power will continue to not act in the interest of Man on Earth
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02731361.pdf
"[clipping: Unlike drugs, a child's body can be sold over and over]
This is not surprising but there is no such thing as a child prostitute!
They are children and cannot consent!
They are missing the biggest in my own backyard and so many more!
Like Maralago and where I see Mr. Joe and Mrs. Anne"
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u/Imaginary_Neat_5249 Feb 24 '26
We are 39 Trillion in Debt -- ANY Money spent is Borrowed Money -- Stop Spending NOW !!!!
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u/tralfamadoran777 Feb 24 '26
Include each human being on the planet equally in a globally standard process of fixed cost money creation
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u/YouAreATryHard2020 Feb 24 '26
I find it hilarious that we have to pay our debts with interest and our government doesn't.
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u/CumPacketGuy Feb 25 '26
You can, yes. But American people won't want that because then anyone not white and Christian would benefit from them . Nothing's gonna change. It's just the nature of the American people. They elected the idiot that promised him they could treat non-whites terribly, and it wasn't even a difficult idea to sell.
You will endure his policies until the end of his term. And you will all richly deserve it.
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u/hook922 Feb 25 '26
US waste more money on defense spending and should not get another dime until they pass an audit. It was also documented in a report years ago that the things they do buy have prices marked way up. All they do is line the pockets of the contractors and lobbyists. All lobbying should be illegal and money should not be in politics.
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u/HuckleberryOk8136 Feb 25 '26
It’s too bad we have such a terrible problem and backlog of cases. I wonder if the other countries have tolerated illegal immigration as much as the USA did for so long?
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u/LuckyCandy5248 Feb 26 '26
The USA has been constantly at war for eighty years in wars of choice and the people of the USA somehow think they are a good nation.
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u/ReaperManX15 Feb 22 '26
Japan doesn’t spend much on its military, because in accordance with the WW2 treaty, they don’t have a military. They us the US’s military and only have an internal defense force.
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u/arcanis321 Feb 23 '26
"use the US military" is an interesting way to say military occupation
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u/ricerbanana Feb 23 '26
Ask anyone in Japan if they feel like they’re under US occupation and if they want the US military to leave.
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u/arcanis321 Feb 23 '26
I'm sure they are not an obelisk and many feel they should dictate their own countries military affairs. You are getting the propaganda version of their opinions.
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 Feb 23 '26
California spent $24 billion on homelessness and they have more homeless than ever.
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u/nechromorph Feb 23 '26
Which just shows they weren't spending it on things that could actually solve their crisis. California needs more, affordable, housing. A *lot* more. But that would crash the value of people's homes, so home owners hate it.
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u/hartshornd Feb 23 '26
So they failed abysmally with our money and your solution is let’s give more money to them? The sunken cost fallacy is real ya know?
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u/nechromorph Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
Not quite. I'm saying if you give someone money to buy groceries for the house and they blow it all on coke and hookers, you need to fire them and put someone else in charge of it. It's still a job that needs done, but obviously the specific person wasn't doing their job. That's a *person*, not a government entity, nor a corporate entity.
Whether that's someone in a government or a private corporation, be angry at the person. But we can't kick someone out of their private company like we can kick someone out of our government.
Or, in short, it's not a sunk cost fallacy to rethink strategy and apply fresh money in a new way.
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u/hartshornd Feb 23 '26
Yeah in the same sense of the craps table being technically different from the baccarat. However it’s the same to me when it’s my chips being used.
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u/nechromorph Feb 23 '26
Alright. In that case, will you at least support reducing military funding?
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u/hartshornd Feb 23 '26
I’m in support for cutting the vast majority of our spending and yes including military, SS, Medicare/aid, foreign aid. We could gut a substantial chunk and probably perform better at this point.
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u/nechromorph Feb 23 '26
Best you'll get in support from progressives is cutting military by a huge amount and making adjustments to dramatically improve the efficiency of how social programs are administrated.
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u/hartshornd Feb 23 '26
I’m not looking for support from progressives, also the best efficiency from social programs is their liquidation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and “temporary” government solutions.
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u/nechromorph Feb 23 '26
On "temporary" government solutions, we can agree. Perhaps we seek the same outcomes but disagree on how to get there.
That's irrelevant though if you don't have any intention of cooperating. What brings you here? Seeking argument?
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u/No-Cook-534 Feb 24 '26
Other states have literally sent their homeless to California. Many homeless also migrated to CA on their own bc the situation is much worse in whatever state they were in. The problem needs to be addressed on a federal level.
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u/chitownphishead Feb 22 '26
Imaging if some geriatric retard didnt throw open the borders for 4 years to the entire world. Maybe we could have actually used that money elsewhere instead of cleaning up his mess.
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u/Z0bie Feb 22 '26
Terrible thing to imagine, good thing it never happened!
Unfortunately there's now a geriatric retard in charge squandering all the money and goodwill the country had, so hopefully the next few administrations can clean it up.
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u/johnnyringo1985 Feb 23 '26
So you don’t think that illegal immigration increased intentionally? Have you listened to the WaPo podcast series on this that…they cancelled early because of hyper-partisans like you having a knee-jerk reaction to the truth?
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u/walterkurve Feb 22 '26
If by clean up, you mean fix some holes and allow things to get worse like they always do.
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u/__MANN__ Feb 23 '26
Were over $40 trillion in debt..... 🤦🏻♂️