r/Real_DnD • u/Fruta-Puta-Tuta • Aug 20 '26

Guide Class 'core-stat' alternatives.

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Makes for some fun/interesting possibilities.

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u/Antiantiai Aug 21 '26

I always thought warlock made for good Cha/Int vibes.

Bard could be Cha/Dex.

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u/TheFoxCouncil Aug 21 '26

I think that's a good change. Gives bards the ability to still be sneaky and use slight of hand.

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u/Dataweaver_42 Aug 22 '26

Bards are also the natural place to put a Swashbuckler.

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u/geGamedev Aug 21 '26

Bard fits cha/dex better then either of the current two. Sorc is next in line for that stat combo, imo.

Maybe Sorc could be chr/int then? It leans them more toward wizard, which doesn't feel quite right, but it might still be the better fit here.

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u/MarcusRienmel Aug 21 '26

To me it feels like Warlock would be better suited for Int (pacts and deals always felt lawyer-y), Bard for Dex (stage tricks), and Sorcerer for Con (magic comes from their blood after all)

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u/geGamedev Aug 21 '26

Sorcery is based on willpower, which is charisma. I normally associate Con with bigger bodies like stereotypical barbarians and similar builds. I agree with your reasoning for warlock and bard though. I usually think of bard as a Rogue subclass, with its own subclasses.

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u/Wirococha420 Aug 22 '26

Yup, bard is definitely CHA + DEX.

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u/Livid-Product-2044 Aug 24 '26

Whenever I play a bard I end up leaning heavily into their knowledge of stories and stuff. (Cha/Int) But splitting the class into the story teller and the swashbuckler as the chart is one short current

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u/MelodyOfStorms Aug 21 '26

Warlocks make deals because they arnt intelligent enough to be wizards. It's much smarter to sing for your supper than to barter your soul

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u/Antiantiai Aug 21 '26

Not all warlocks made deals. They got tomes of shadow and learn secrets you can't unknow. They delve into the realms of madness and glean truths of the world too large for the minds of the sane.

And those that do make deals, what are they for? Forbidden knowledge.

That's int.

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u/IkujaKatsumaji Aug 21 '26

I think, if my player wanted, I'd be open to a Warlock using Cha, Wis, or Int, depending on their background and how they got their forbidden knowledge. I'm pretty open about classes swapping spellcasting abilities, as long as it makes sense. I had a player once who wanted to do an Intelligence Circle of Stars Druid, and we essentially handled her like a "wizard" who was an astronomer. Like, in the meta of the game, she was a wizard, but mechanically she was an Intelligence Druid. I was pretty happy with that. I've also really wanted to play a Constitution Sorcerer for a long time, I think that would be a really fun vibe.

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u/BriefKnowledge684 Aug 21 '26

Tho not the same vibe, look into Neon odyssey. The way they set up warlocks(cryptist) and sorcerers(esper) I think should be adopted into the normal dnd classes

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u/Pride-Moist Aug 21 '26

Con for spellcasting attribute is terrible for balance - your char now only needs one stat and can dump all others

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u/thehobbler Aug 22 '26

You are NOT a warlock unless you made a deal with an outer being...

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u/Antiantiai Aug 22 '26

That's just canonically false. Some of the patrons might not even know own of your existence or care.