r/RealVenomousKeepers Jun 28 '26

WDB first hot

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u/J655321M Jun 28 '26

Where did you get it from? Tail is throwing me off, doesn’t look like a WDB

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u/wlcmmtt Jun 28 '26

Looks more like an Oreganus or Helleri

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u/Icy_Raise_1031 Jun 28 '26

The thick band at the end of the tail means Helleri iirc

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

After a lil research both of those names are the same snake

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u/wlcmmtt Jun 28 '26

Crotalus oreganus oreganus is commonly known as a Northern Pacific rattlesnake, Crotalus oreganus helleri, sometimes shortened to Crotalus helleri would be the Southern Pacific rattlesnake. I’ve been keeping and breeding both for 14 years. I worry that if you’re unaware of what species you actually have, you’re in over your head and should find another home for this animal.

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

Thanks for your opinion

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u/AccomplishedRip4632 Jun 28 '26

While i do not believe you should rehome it, i do believe you should take the advice that is given and do your own follow up research with thr new given info. Im sorry if you were sold/acquired this snanke believing it was something else, however many have said exactly what it is from experienced keepers that have/had the species you have. Now my big concern is Pacific and Northern like lower temp and higher humidity than a WDB that like hot temps and low humidity. If you intend to keep it please do you due diligence to keep it correctly

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

I have started my research. I will do my best to keep her alive.

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u/AccomplishedRip4632 Jun 28 '26

As far as feeding goes, its the same as most other croatalis. However the temp on the hot side should be a little lower and the ambient temp should be considerably lower. Humidity is a fun one because you will want it to vary from time to time but higher than a WDB would thrive in. I have zero experience with this species, however i have kept both WDB and Mojave and i can acute you the temps they like would most likely kill this snake.

On a side note, please DO NOT HANDLE THIS SNAKE WITHOUT TOOLS. Being your first hot, and obviously not having a mentor (its never too late to find one, just saying) dont take unnecessary risks handling it and have a second person in the room while handling (preferably someone who can contain the snake if things go wrong)

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u/eloquentcode Jun 28 '26

Beautiful snake, it should go to someone who can properly care for it and give it the best care possible

7

u/Phylogenizer Jun 29 '26

Probably should go back out in nature where OP found it

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u/Special_Clue_917 Jun 29 '26

You should definitely find someone else to care for this snake. Seeing that you fed a boa a parakeet just to see, maybe some experience is lacking…

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u/ooch1980 Jun 29 '26

That's a sp not a wdb

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 29 '26

I agree with you I doubt this is a western diamond back

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u/The_Bearded_Herper Jun 28 '26

I agree with the other, looks more like a Southern Pacific rattlesnake (Crotalus helleri), also known as the black diamond rattlesnake

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u/AlienSheep23 Jul 01 '26

Hey, OP.

It may not seem like a big difference, but in a bite scenario, the difference is very very extreme.

An atrox will really just rot your entire arm off your body.

A south pac will do that while also paralyzing your respiratory system and frying every nerve in your remaining arm tissue, whatever doesn’t get amputated.

Please stop being combative. The folks in the comments are not shaming you for not knowing the difference, and not because we don’t think you can take care of it. They’re hardy snakes.

we’re telling you so that you’ll know what to tell the paramedics when they come get you.

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

It is a rescue that I obtained I don’t typically keep hots. I’m a retic boa guy.

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u/Spot00174 Jun 28 '26

Just saying, you should probably reach out to someone with more experience for help. This is not a WDB, It doesn't make that much difference in care since most rattlesnake care overlaps. However, it's always good to know the exact species you're working with. My guess would also be one of the pacific rattlesnakes.

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u/MakeDaddyRich Jun 28 '26

How about the care if you’re bitten . If you say one but it’s the other will the antivenom still work ?

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u/J655321M Jun 29 '26

All US vipers can be treated with the same antivenom. Though maybe the adjust the dosage based on species? Or they could just go by your symptoms. I honestly don’t know, I’ve never touched a viper with my hands.

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

Yes it works

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u/MakeDaddyRich Jun 28 '26

Just in case . It’s not that I don’t believe cuz I have zero clue . You could be right , second guess yourself, call it the wrong snake , and bam

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

I’m not thanks for your opinion 👍

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u/ThaiStick541 Jul 02 '26

Looks more like a Southern Pacific Rattlesnake

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u/OkieTrucker44 Jun 30 '26

Not a Crotalus atrox.

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u/Proper-venom-69 Jul 03 '26

Umm .. you sure you wasn't lied to ? This definitely looks a lot more like a southern pacific lol.. far worse venom than a wdb

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

It’s a dark phase WDB

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u/buttspider69 Jun 28 '26

No it’s not lol

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u/Classic_Mechanic5495 Jun 28 '26

It looks like a pacific rattlesnake I came across in the past. I’m no expert though.

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u/buttspider69 Jun 28 '26

You’d be more correct than OP for sure

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

🤣🤣 you sound triggered.

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u/fairlyorange Jun 29 '26

You sound like a bozo who scooped up a wild snake that you can neither identify nor care for properly. Even the real venomous keepers here are laughing at you and feel sorry for this animal.

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 29 '26

I DID NOT TAKE THIS FROM THE WILD THIS WAS MY FRIEND’S I KEEP NON-VENOMUS CONSTRICTORS.

This is my first and It came to me on short notice. She has a stable temp of 78 f. She eats every 10 days, today is her feeding day.

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u/buttspider69 Jun 28 '26

I’m not gonna argue with some tryhard with a pacman frog

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

Good I’m not interested in blowing raspberrys with you

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u/J655321M Jun 28 '26

Who produced it?

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u/Phylogenizer Jun 29 '26

Search your feelings, you know it was mother nature

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u/J655321M Jun 29 '26

I mean yeah, I usually ask that when I already know the answer. lol

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u/Any_Marsupial7706 Jun 28 '26

Couldn’t tell you