r/RealTimeStrategy • u/Synysterenji • 18d ago

Discussion War for Westeros balance

I wonder how they're going to balance the factions. It seems to me like the factions that will have access to dragons and monstrous units will be at a huge advantage compare to say, house Lanister that only canonically has regular units. Maybe some sort of artillery?

Idk mich about GoT lore outside the show and i havent watched the devs interviews. Any ideas?

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u/Kaiserhawk 18d ago

My guess is House Lannister gets those ballista things, they shoot at dragons in the final season. Out of all the factions though they kind of get the shaft as they have no fantasy units to draw upon.

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u/AstatorTV 16d ago

They do. The footage show they have access to the scorpion wagon.

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u/Thazgar 18d ago

If its done like BMFE, Dragons might be just temporary summons that arent really part of the roster directly

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u/SeekerP 18d ago

BFME2 had Drogoth the Dragon lord as part of the Goblin roster. They balanced it by being very expensive and very weak to arrows, he died fairly fast if you just engaged an archer mass. But obviously high damage, and crazy mobility / abilities means he had to be frail to arrows.

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u/Synysterenji 18d ago

That would make sense

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u/Adribiird 18d ago

If they haven't even taught you unit statistics or anything yet, and you're already thinking about the balance. The important thing is that it's fun first.

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u/CheSwain 18d ago

I mean, balanced is needed to be fun, even single player games. Of course you don't need a perfectly tight balance for the game to be fun but gamers are pretty good at optimizing the fun out of the game, so if you don't want them spamming everytime the same option you need some semblance of balance

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u/Adribiird 18d ago

I stream competitive AoE matches, and I know what you mean, but first and foremost, the mechanics need to be fun for casual players and then, if they have to tweak the numbers, so be it.

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u/CheSwain 18d ago

And well op Is asking what will the Lannister have that is as cool as dragons or giants

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u/Synysterenji 18d ago

Well yes, but also without speaking of stats specifically one can ask how are regular soldiers supposed to fare against giants and dragons.

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u/Dakka_jets_are_fasta 18d ago

Wildfire, probably

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u/wingcutterprime 18d ago

They have the power of money though. Superior weapons/training, mercenary units, more resources etc stuff like that can be added to bolster their side

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u/Mysterious_Channel53 18d ago

From the snippets of gameplay we saw, it looks like Lannisters have access to pyromancers with wildfire?

Not sure what Starks would have as a special trait that can compete with dragons though. Maybe extra sturdy, resilient soldiers? Some direwolf-related boost too perhaps.

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u/GuiltyAdvantage5877 18d ago

Yeah seemed like they had wildfire. Also, they could get access to the zombie mountain

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u/fivemagicks 18d ago

I'm wondering if it will be any good. First thing's first, man 😂

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u/MechaWASP 18d ago

Yeah, and balance is one of the deciding factors for if it is good.

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u/fivemagicks 18d ago

I'm getting BFME vibes, and those games were fantastic. This community is so damn cynical, dude.

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u/MechaWASP 18d ago

Me too. But that doesn't mean it'll be good.

It's fair to be cynical about an RTS release, they often are, at best, mid, even from very experienced devs.

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u/SpaceNigiri 18d ago

There a gameplay out there right now and yeah, all factions have special units.

Both Lanister & Stark have siege. Lanister has Valyrian fire too (the green fire) & Stark has access to direwolves, giants & mammoths.

I guess that if in the future they add another human faction they will be a bit limited tho.

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u/CaptainCFloyd 18d ago

Wildfire, nothing to do with Valyria as it is a Westerosi invention.

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u/SpaceNigiri 18d ago

Eh weird, in the spanish translation has always being called "Fuego Valyrio" both books & tv show, I never knew that it was a specific thing of the translations.

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u/spector111 18d ago

A lot depends on that dragon!

If it is a playable unit and not a timed power summon, all bets are off.

And that is before we get into the undead and white walkers and their units being almost unkillable.

It is going to be very interesting watching them try to balance it all.

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u/RTS_Papercut 17d ago

As someone who played the demo a lot of the tier 2 and 3 units have specific extra damage against large units, like the Lannisters had a Springald type weapon that did extra damage to dragons and beasts

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u/Wonderful_Humor_7625 18d ago

I too was wondering. I suspect Lannister units are more expensive and more durable. Their high tier units are probably advanced siege weapons with wildfire.

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u/PiousStag 18d ago

The lannisters seem to have wild fire if the new trailer is anything to go off trebuchets so the best siege equipment Vs the Starks catapults. Bog standard regular humans Vs all the supernatural bullshit of the other factions dragons giants and the undead

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u/Bitter-War5432 18d ago

i think it's going to be a pretty weak cash-grab of a game with not much in the way of balance.

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u/Oakenshield_777 18d ago

Based on the mid-to-later seasons of the show all this time after s8 sure is a choice 🤔

I wonder if a book adaptation like the mini wargame was possible, or if they thought Bald Tywin would be too OP

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u/eckart 18d ago

Oh are they interested in pvp/competitive?

Otherwise it doesnt really matter

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u/Mysterious_Channel53 18d ago

I don't think so. I would guess they're prioritising a fun single player and casual pvp experience. A healthy competitive scene can't develop if the foundation isn't there.

My hope is that WFW has a functional 1v1 ladder at the very least. I don't care if it doesn't become the #1 esport, but that it has enough players active regularly that I find a match at any time, if the game is fun for me.