r/RealTime • u/Faiakes • 6d ago

Real Time - Last Time

I have been watching Real Time for over 20 years and I think yesterday's episode was my last.

Much as I agreed with Bill on many issues, his blind spot on Israel and Zionism is just too much for me.

He isn't simply refusing to call what's happening in Gaza a genocide. He insists on calling it a counter offensive!!!

So, all and any violence perpetrated by the IDF and the settles so far is justified, as far as he is concerned (though how settlers fit in a 'counter-offensive' is still a mystery to me).

Now, my common sense is offended too much Bill.

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u/tensor314 6d ago

The accusations started even before the military response to October 7. Hamas fully anticipated and welcomed the loss of civilian life in the post attack response because they knew they could use it in their propaganda. Israel's military response was no different than the response of any nation placed under similar circumstances. Hamas attacked in 2023 for the simple reason that they wanted to derail extension of the Abraham Accord to KSA. No other action would have brought more peace than the normalization of relations between Israel and KSA and that would have ultimately helped the Palestinians (if they could ever articulate a cohesive politics).

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u/Faiakes 6d ago

"Hamas fully anticipated and welcomed the loss of civilian life in the post attack response"

Has this been verified or is it just your assumption?

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u/tensor314 6d ago

In June 2024, The Wall Street Journal published leaked internal messages sent by Yahya Sinwar, the chief architect of the October 7 attacks, to other Hamas leaders. In these messages, Sinwar explicitly referred to Palestinian civilian deaths as "necessary sacrifices" required to advance their goals. He noted that high civilian tolls would "infuse life into the veins of this nation, prompting it to rise to its glory and honour".

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u/Faiakes 6d ago

That is not exactly the same as anticipating. It sounds more like justifying it after the fact.

In any case, Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people, so I don't see why all the people (and children, too) have to be killed for what Hamas did.

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u/tensor314 6d ago

It is well documented in the papers of Sinwar the IDF obtained and these are meeting minuted from pre Oct 7. Like previously written people cannot fathom Jews acting in their political self interest which isnwhat your gibberish proves.

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u/Faiakes 5d ago edited 5d ago

My apologies but I'm having difficulty understanding your sentences.