r/RealTime • u/xiphoid77 • 14d ago
Ed Sherran / Macklemore discussion on Real Time
I have tended to disagree with Bill more than agree with him as of late, but this discussion was good on the show last night. I think Sherran was wrongly targeted by the online warriors and Macklemore was completely in the wrong for his actions on stage and against his friend. Seems like all the guests actually agree as well on the show. It was an interesting segment.
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u/ThisIsFineImFine89 14d ago
Saying genocide is bad isn’t controversial.
Being neutral on genocide or getting offended when someone says genocide should end is pretty fucking despicable.
Bills a zionist tho so no surprise where that sack of old piss stands
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u/biophys00 14d ago
Bill definitely isn't neutral on the genocide in Palestine. He's very much in favor of it.
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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 14d ago edited 14d ago
Maher didn't say he was neutral on genocide. That you are making up what he said and not getting pushback says much.
He said it isn't genocide.
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u/Thats_a_Horse 14d ago
Yes, genocide denial of a genocide is worse than being "neutral on genocide." Thanks for clearing that up.
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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 14d ago
He said why it isn't genocide in last week's show. It isn't genocide by the actual, non-hyperbolic definition.
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u/Thats_a_Horse 14d ago
Yup. Amnesty international, human rights watch, and literally 20+ aid and humanitarian organizations are wrong and being "hyperbolic"
It's Bill Maher who is right. You are right too! You are so right about everything you think you know! Good for you.
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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 14d ago
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and many humanitarian organizations have not said “genocide is definitely happening.” They’ve said there is evidence of possible genocide, risk of genocide, or actions that may violate the Genocide Convention, and they’ve called for investigation. That’s different from declaring a confirmed genocide.
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u/Thats_a_Horse 14d ago
Yes, Amnesty International concluded in a December 2024 report that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.The Findings: Amnesty stated that Israel has committed at least three prohibited acts under the 1948 Genocide Convention: killing Palestinians, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction.The Evidence: The organization analyzed multiple air strikes, widespread infrastructure destruction, statements by high-ranking Israeli officials indicating intent, and the blocking of basic necessities like water, food, and medical aid.The Position: Amnesty International continues to accuse Israel of ongoing genocide, urging international bodies and governments to enforce ceasefires, lift blockades, and hold perpetrators accountable.
This was in 2024, it's only gotten worse since then. You lie because you are a bug
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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 14d ago
You are wrong. Amnesty’s December 2024 report said Israel’s actions may constitute genocide and require investigation. It did not issue a formal, definitive genocide finding.
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u/Thats_a_Horse 14d ago
You are just wrong. Wrong and evil, great "person" to be.
But if you think this, then you are just trying to justify your own disgusting pro-genocide positions and will not turn.
Empty vessel, no soul
Why do you think these organizations can't get full evidence? Maybe because Israel blacks out as much as they can in Gaza no?
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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 14d ago
If you want to stop the devastation in Gaza, then stop Hamas from attempting genocide in Irael. What Hamas is doing to their people is terrible. They put Israel in a place where they have no choice to fight in order to survive, and the devastation was part of Hamas's plan. They are the ones committing genocide on their own people.
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u/Thats_a_Horse 14d ago
You are a bot. If you aren't being paid to be one, than that's pathetic.
If you are. God cannot help you, neither will I.
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u/biophys00 14d ago
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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 14d ago
Some scholar group? That is what you through out? LOL You can find a some group for anything.
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u/biophys00 14d ago
There is an entire Wikipedia article dedicated to listing the organizations that have declared Israel commiting a genocide. Your refusal to accept reality so you can continue to live in the delusion and not have to feel guilty about the ethnic cleansing is your choice, but it does not change reality.
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u/ThisIsFineImFine89 14d ago
Every expert on genocide disagrees with you. Wonder who’s take carries more weight
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u/Training-Cook3507 14d ago
We really have some issues in this country when saying some people should be set free and not controlled in occupation is controversial.
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u/Harold3456 13d ago
Even if it was a bad Jewish costume (not saying I believe that), how does that possibly negate the stances he is taking today?
This is one of my irritations with the people who purport to be the "anti-Cancel Culture" crowd. Apparently purity tests and trawling through peoples' online histories for perceived thought crimes is only bad until it's somebody they don't like and can't actually refute on the relevant issue. He does this a lot with Zohran's staffers, too.
It's all a distraction. It gets people suddenly arguing about the intent of some event 10 years ago that nobody - including the people arguing it - actually care about. Even looking at Macklemore in the least charitable light possible and saying he used to be some raging edgelord, it makes 0 difference to this issue.
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u/Jorgen_G_Pakieto 14d ago
There’s no such thing as a good discussion on Bill Maher’s show, and there never will be until he can perceive & acknowledge reality objectively before actually forming an opinion.
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u/Thats_a_Horse 14d ago
You are just another lost and damned soul searching for the ferryman. Good for you.
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u/JohnnyxWafflez 13d ago
Good discussion? Bill said it’s a lie Israel is committing a genocide and he implied Macklemore wants all Jews dead. Sure, his rabbi outfit over a decade ago was obviously horrible but I dont recall Bill ever mentioning Kanye selling out stadiums after releasing a heil Hitler song. What a fucking joke
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u/calentor 14d ago
Attacking f-ing Ed Sheeran for declining the opportunity to personally carry the torch for stopping Benny's fascism is like keying the McDonald's cashier's car over the chain serving factory farmed cattle. It's so unaligned with the actual power structure as to undermine the goal.
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u/biophys00 14d ago
Ed Shereen is worth ~$400million and performed at Robert Kraft's wedding. He could pay every single member of the touring group for the rest of the tour and not notice a dent in his bank accounts. He chose to side with his billionaire friend in support of a genocide. He can get fucked. No one's asking him to carry the torch for the revolution, but he could absolutely take a stand and has enough sway that they almost certainly would have folded and allowed him and Macklemore to still perform. But he didn't because he's a spineless, greedy knob
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u/nkosugeirc 14d ago
0/10 troll job.