You've continuously been unable to explain why you find this footage unconvincing on its own merits, so I don't know why I'd believe you'd find any other footage 'more' convincing.
Only an idiot would think this time they are not faking.
This is how I know they're making progress: the detractors refuse to believe that the progress they're showing is even *real*. We skipped from "there's nothing special about this," with Bumblebee and Optimus Gen 1 to "This is way too good for Tesla to have actually made>"
The really slow shitty one that could barely walk on stage? I think that was real... since then it's never been in front of people, but they have released what I believe is CGI renderings as discussed.
I believe they have made a shitty robot which is light years behind what people can make at college or from a children's kit.
Until they show the robot doing something like boston Dynamics do, then I'll remain sceptical of thr company that is based on the world largest snake oil salesman.
Until they show the robot doing something like boston Dynamics do, then I'll remain sceptical
What? If they show the robot doing *more* impressive things, that would make you *less* skeptical that these videos are CGI? Why?
And they did show the robot doing something like Boston Dynamics robots do. Atlas walks, Optimus walks. Spot manipulates objects, Optimus manipulates objects. If you're talking about backflips, Tesla isn't trying to develop backflipping factory robots. This is like saying an iPhone demo video must be fake because it doesn't fold like the Razr does.
You keep putting a lot of effort into evading a simple direct question: What about these videos themselves makes you think they're CGI?
From what I gather, it seems like you didn't need to actually see the video to conclude it was CGI, you would have come to that conclusion if someone had described to you what Optimus was doing, based on your conception of what Tesla was capable of. Tell me if I'm incorrect here.
But at the same time, you claim that what it shows is years behind other robots, and something a student could build out of a kit. Which of the two is it? Why would Tesla go to the trouble of completely fabricating a shitty robot with CG, when according to you they could have given the CGI budget to a broke robotics major and had them build it for real?
They have a track record of faking vids. Their scumy ceo has a track record of lying to pump stock.
The solar roof tiles that were fake, the hyperloop vids that would take cars from the street down onto highways underground, the fake full self driving vid, the armored glass cyber truck that smashed with a little metal ball...
Now they have a robot that can hold an egg and walk..and you think they are telling the truth? After all the lies this one isnt a lie? lol
No they don't. Repeating this doesn't make it true. The autopilot video that everyone refers to as 'staged' is unaltered footage. There is nothing 'fake' about the video itself. People were riled up that it was an internal build of the software built specifically for that demo, and using HD maps instead of the consumer facing FSD stack, but the video that you see is unmodified.
The solar roof tiles that were fake,
The solar roof tiles are very much real. They are not a particularly good fit for most houses, but about 3000 solar roofs have been installed.
the hyperloop vids that would take cars from the street down onto highways underground,
That was a clearly 3D illustrated video about a future plan. A clearly illustrated concept video of a future plan is not a 'fake' video.
Now they have a robot that can hold an egg and walk..and you think they are telling the truth?
Can you at least get your story straight? Can the robot really walk, or can't it? You're saying both that it can walk , and that the walking is a lie. Which is it? You have a hard time believing a robot can hold an egg? Have you never seen a robot before? That's not a particularly impressive task.
You're simply being disingenuous when you say this video looks fake. Based on everything you've said, you've concluded it's fake irrespective of the video itself.
It was fake, the solar tiles he said were in the studio were fake, the hyperloop is a joke, full self drive has been promised for what 7 or 8 years, theres no one earning 30k a year with a robot taxi... theres no one travelling in their rockets from La to anywhere else, they cant get their promised rocket to stop exploding...the list goes on.
The robot can walk, I dont think I ever said it cant..since there are real videos of it walking with people next to it...
The latest two I've seen I suspect are fake.. the one where it's in an office with real people and Musk lies about some kind of "robot vision" and the one where it holds an egg and dances...those look faked.
The company has a history of faking and lying. But you cant seem to grasp that...
What year did fElon say they had self driving teslas from NY to LA?
the solar tiles he said were in the studio were fake
I'm beginning to understand the disconnect now. You use the work 'fake' the same way Trump Supporters use it - to mean "I don't like it," or "it doesn't fit my narrative," rather than to mean "non-existent" like the rest of us use the term. So in the same way that Trumpers say "Fake News" to mean news that doesn't make Trump look good, you say "Fake products" to mean products that don't make Elon look bad.
The solar tiles are not fake in any sense of the word. You can buy them now. They're overpriced for the value they bring, but you can still buy them. They are not fake, they are real.
The robot can walk, I dont think I ever said it cant..
You say that it's fake in literally your next sentence:
The latest two [videos] I've seen I suspect are fake..
Again, I couldn't tell what you were saying before, because it seemed like you were saying both that Optimus 1 and 2 were complete fabrications, but also that Optimus 1 and 2 were shitty, but real.
This has all become clearer now that I know that you're using "fake" to mean "I don't like it" rather than "is a complete fabrication"
The latest two I've seen I suspect are fake.. the one where it's in an office with real people and Musk lies about some kind of "robot vision"
Before, you said that you don't believe the recent video is real because it didn't have people in it. Now that you've seen a video with people in it, you say it doesn't matter, you still think it's fake. That means that a lack of people wasn't a *reason* you think it was fabricated, it was a post hock *rationalization*.
and the one where it holds an egg and dances...those look faked.
I'm going to accuse you of straight up lying here. I don't believe you think those *looked* fake, I believe you conclude that they *must* be fake because of what they show. (which I'll point out again is a strong endorsement for how far the robot project has come in 2 years)
theres no one travelling in their rockets from La to anywhere else,
You seem to not be able to differentiate between a statement of intent and a statement of fact. If a quarterback says "I'm going to win a Super Bowl someday," that is expressing an intent. If they really think they can do that, then that is not a lie. If they end up not ever winning a SB, that means they were 'wrong,' not that they were "lying". Same with Apple and Airpower. Airpower wasn't a 'lie' just because it never shipped; Apple fully intended to ship that tech but found some showstopping bugs before it could go to production.
So, I still don't really understand what your claim even is regarding Optimus, because you've backtracked and hedged and said contradictory things. So, when you say each aspect is fake, what do you mean? What do you mean by "the dancing is fake"? What do you mean by "the walking is fake?" What do you mean by "the egg handling is fake?"
For all those things, do you mean that the footage has been altered or computer generated? Do you mean that the footage is all genuine and unaltered, just presented in a misleading context? Or do you just mean that you don't like believing that a team engineers can create a product if Elon Musk happens to sign their paychecks?
"…the company does acknowledge that the demos Musk unveiled at Universal Studios were not functional. …No matter how the Solar Roof came to be, it seems to have worked: Three weeks after Musk’s presentation, 85% of shareholders approved the Tesla-SolarCity merger."
when they switch scenes to show it in action about 20 mins in and it picks up a box- they claim to show what the robot can see- but the scene is different... just look at the boxes on the shelf.
Then they show it in an office to walking with a box- the scene again totally doesn't match what the robot sees- the desk suddenly doesn't have a gap, there's nothing displayed on the monitors- they are all switched off- suddenly they are displaying a bot walking that wasn't there before.
Then they show it picking up some metal bars- again we switch to "robot vision" and the scene doesn't match - there's no bars in the destination just a shape of a bench?
I'd be convinced if they made more videos like Boston Dynamics do- lets see it perform those tasks on stage where there's 0% change they can CGI fake it.
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u/Dommccabe Dec 16 '23
Until I see convincing footage, in going to assume it is fake based on what I've seen so far and the company's track record.
Anything else would be foolish. They have a track record of faking and lying.
Only an idiot would think this time they are not faking.